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Old 12-22-2008, 06:16 PM
 
Location: New York
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Cluelessness abounds. These dissidents are complaining about the anti-democratic interests (conservatives, wealthy) in the political arena, the fact that the people's will isn't being reflected in how the military is being deployed and how the nation's assets are being utilized.
Oh, pooh-pooh! Do you mean these history-revising apologists engaging in constant class warfare and complaining about said "anti-democratic" practices of past administrations are still worth any consideration? Because I understand what the public perception of these bogus lecturers tends to be, thanks.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Could you rewrite that in English, please?
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Look, people like Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky will always strive to condemn US-led conflicts and actions. But since when have these "enlightened" activists been spokesmen for history as it exists? How about the interests of America?
What do you mean by "history as it exists?" And what exactly are the "interests of America"--existing in peace with other nations, or ruling the globe?
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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SuperIncumbent:
Do you think it was a good idea for Dubya to continue to prosecute the Iraq war, even escalate it, after the mid-term election of 2006, when the GOP lost massive numbers of votes in Congress and which election was widely seen as a referendum on the war? Do you think it's a good idea for Bush to ignore the obvious will of the people, and not even to begin to make a withdrawal from Iraq happen during his term in office? If not, do you think he deserves any credit as a President who reflects the will of the people? He will become a pariah, as he in fact has become, and his party the GOP might not recover among the national electorate for another decade.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Cluelessness abounds. These dissidents are complaining about the anti-democratic interests (conservatives, wealthy, defense contractors) in the political arena, the fact that the people's will isn't being reflected in how the military is being deployed and how the nation's assets are being utilized.
And that's a good measure of the intellectual limits of those dissidents. The problem with America bullying and invading other nations is not that it is anti-democratic. It's that we are bullying and invading other nations. The American people are gullible dolts and swine who will usually fall for any war they are sold. That doesn't make it okay.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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And that's a good measure of the limits of those dissidents. The problem with America bullying and invading other nations is not that it is anti-democratic. It's that we are bullying and invading other nations. The American people are gullible dolts and swine who will usually fall for any war they are sold. That doesn't make it okay.
Anti-democratic in the sense that the Admnistration ignores the will of the American majority.
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Old 12-22-2008, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Anti-democratic in the sense that the Admnistration ignores the will of the American majority.
Well, they were reelected after invading Iraq, what does that tell you.
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Old 12-25-2008, 06:05 PM
 
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I'm absolutely positive of one thing...

History will completely condemn and vilify Bush over the Iraq War long, long before he ever issues anything that remotely approaches an apology...
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Old 12-26-2008, 06:54 AM
 
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And that's a good measure of the intellectual limits of those dissidents. The problem with America bullying and invading other nations is not that it is anti-democratic. It's that we are bullying and invading other nations. The American people are gullible dolts and swine who will usually fall for any war they are sold. That doesn't make it okay.
The Bush doctrine of pre-emptive strikes was a huge change in our national policies. It was an anti-democratic move and did make us appear to be a bully to the rest of the world. And, you are right, there is nothing okay about the policy. It should have been called the Cheney doctrine, in my opinion.
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Old 12-26-2008, 08:44 AM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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The Bush doctrine of pre-emptive strikes was a huge change in our national policies. It was an anti-democratic move and did make us appear to be a bully to the rest of the world. And, you are right, there is nothing okay about the policy. It should have been called the Cheney doctrine, in my opinion.
I'm not sure the policy is bankrupt - but it's enactment under Bush has been a total flop and backfired badly...

Had there really been WMDs in Iraq, I would have supported the war - but I believe we were INTENTIONALLY misled on that point...

We need to do everything we can to keep Nukes, Biological and Chemical weapons out of the hands of Islamic Terrorists - because any sane person realizes that they will gladly use them against our cities... Just a single outbreak of Small Pox could kill tens of millions of Americans - maybe more - and would mean an end of our modern way of life - all our infrastructure would break down in weeks and stay that way for a long long time, because all the workers would be home caring for sick family members.

I think we should have focused our attention on Iran - and done all we could to put diplomatic and economic pressure on them to drop their nuke program - but we have fallen far short - we simply stopped talking to them for several years...

It will now probably come down to a military strike against their hardened nuclear sites to keep the nuke out of their hands...
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