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Old 12-23-2008, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Maybe because he is wanting bigger government?
If it gets any bigger than W has made it, it's going to be eligble to become a state in its own right.
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Old 12-23-2008, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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Interesting thought... Lincoln vs MLK... My pick would be Lincoln because he was the first milestone. MLK, in my eyes was the 2nd great mile stone and Barack is the final milestone.
We only get three milestones? I'm hoping this is just one of the first milestones, the beginning of many great things to come.

On CNN they say this is the first time someone's used the Lincoln Bible. That really surprises me--wonder why nobody's chosen it before? Personally I think Lincoln is a better choice than MLK because Lincoln was a president, and the occasion is a presidential inauguration. There will be plenty of important events in the future where Obama might use MLK's bible.
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Old 12-23-2008, 01:16 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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They actually have quite a lot in common.

Maybe Obama is a reincarnation of Lincoln.
A lot of Illinois politicians think that of themselves, too.
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Old 12-23-2008, 01:31 PM
 
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I also like the fact that a white man (Lincoln) who believed (at least in our history books) in equal rights for African Americans has his Bible used by the first African American president.
Just as a point of clarification, Lincoln did not believe in equal rights for Americans of African Descent.

“I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is physical difference between the two, which in my judgment will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality.”

Abraham Lincoln 1858.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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Great choice of symbolism, just hope none of the sharp divisions in our country boils down to anything even resembling a Civil War.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:28 PM
 
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Just as a point of clarification, Lincoln did not believe in equal rights for Americans of African Descent.

I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and the black races. There is physical difference between the two, which in my judgment will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality.

Abraham Lincoln 1858.
I know that he did not. That is why I put the parenthetical expression, "at least in our history books."
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:31 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As a person who didn't vote for Obama and has been out spoken against him, I think it's historic that he's using Lincoln's bible.

From a man who freed the slaves to a man who's ancestors "might" have been slaves.
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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As a person who didn't vote for Obama and has been out spoken against him, I think it's historic that he's using Lincoln's bible.

From a man who freed the slaves to a man who's ancestors "might" have been slaves.
It is highly doubtful that Obama had any slaves in his family unless they migrated a long way.

Most of the slaves from Africa came from the west coast, and the Portuguese slave traders didn't usually go inland to find them. They bought ther cargo from chiefs who had captured members of other tribes in battle and brought them to the coast to sell.

If there weren't enough to fill the ship after they bought all they could, they simply took the chiefs and their tribesmen who had come to sell their captives to add to the tally. If there still weren't enough, they sailed down to the next port of call.

Kenya would have been a thousand miles or more out of the way on a good day and too much trouble for the Portuguese to even consider.
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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He could borrow Jefferson's.
Thomas Jefferson was a deist, not a muslim
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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As a person who didn't vote for Obama and has been out spoken against him, I think it's historic that he's using Lincoln's bible.

From a man who freed the slaves to a man who's ancestors "might" have been slaves.
Obama is all about symbolism. His campaign started where Abraham Lincoln started his campaign. His acceptance speech was held in Grant Park, (Chicago, IL) the site of the race riots during the Democratic Nat'l Convention in 1968...I know that there are more, I just cannot think of them. But, the Bible is very symbolic and I think that he is very cognizant of them all.
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