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Old 12-27-2008, 11:13 AM
 
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I'm reading it. I'm enjoying it. He's a good writer.

Has anybody else read the book - or his other book, "Dreams From My Father"? What are your thoughts?





And let's try - just this once - to NOT turn this into another stupid "Bush is stupid!" or "Obama is a Muslim!" thread...
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Old 12-27-2008, 11:29 AM
 
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I'm reading it. I'm enjoying it. He's a good writer. Has anybody else read the book - or his other book, "Dreams From My Father"? What are your thoughts?
I read Audacity of Hope this year. Long on ideals, short on "how-to" get it done. Perhaps that's the mark of a good politician. Overall a good book to read to see what he values. Yes, I voted for him this year.

Bill Bradley's book, "The New American Story" is one I liked a lot, which I also read this year. He goes into great detail on national issues and prescribes very clear steps to solving them.

Other books I read this year are:

- The New American Story, by Bill Bradley
Review: Amazon.com: The New American Story: Bill Bradley: Books

- Tempting Faith, by David Kuo
Review: Amazon.com: Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seduction: David Kuo: Books

- The Bush Tragedy, by Jacob Weisberg
Review: Amazon.com: The Bush Tragedy: Jacob Weisberg: Books

- Where Have All The Leaders Gone, by Lee Iacocca
Review: Amazon.com: Where Have All the Leaders Gone?: Lee Iacocca: Books
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Old 12-27-2008, 11:42 AM
 
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I read Audacity of Hope this year. Long on ideals, short on "how-to" get it done. Perhaps that's the mark of a good politician. Overall a good book to read to see what he values. Yes, I voted for him this year.
I am reading it right now, and concur with Mike.
It's very readable and fluid and conversational--I had expected it to be much more dry and pedantic.
I like this: "I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them."
[from Audacity of Hope]
I guess some of the "how-to" part might be in the new Change website.
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Old 12-27-2008, 11:45 AM
 
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I read Audacity of Hope this year. Long on ideals, short on "how-to" get it done.
That's kind of what I've picked up so far.

Of course, he often admits that he doesn't know what all the answers are - which might be why he seems to be assembling a rather mixed-ideology cabinet.

He speaks of how the "old guard" in the Senate used to debate fiercely, then go out for steaks and cigars that evening - and how he wishes there was more of that. I'd love to see that kind of fiercely competitive camaraderie develop in DC, but am not sure it can.

Actually, I do think both Obama and McCain could do that. Throughout the ugly campaign, I really didn't get the idea that either of them particularly disliked each other on a personal or professional level.
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Old 12-27-2008, 11:47 AM
 
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I am reading it right now, and concur with Mike.
It's very readable and fluid and conversational--I had expected it to be much more dry and pedantic.
Exactly! A very good friend of mine - a cut & dried liberal - loaned me the book to read, and I thought I'd have to force myself to do so. I expected B O R I N G - but have been very pleasantly surprised!
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Old 12-27-2008, 12:06 PM
 
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He is an excellent writer. Regardless of what you think about his politics, he is a master at words and telling a compelling story. Very good book.
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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That's kind of what I've picked up so far.

Of course, he often admits that he doesn't know what all the answers are - which might be why he seems to be assembling a rather mixed-ideology cabinet.

He speaks of how the "old guard" in the Senate used to debate fiercely, then go out for steaks and cigars that evening - and how he wishes there was more of that. I'd love to see that kind of fiercely competitive camaraderie develop in DC, but am not sure it can.

Actually, I do think both Obama and McCain could do that. Throughout the ugly campaign, I really didn't get the idea that either of them particularly disliked each other on a personal or professional level.
That part about the old guard is what I'd like to see more. Since the far right took on such a scorched earth policy with Newt and gang, there has been precious little of either side respecting the other. The far right seems to be an all-or-none bunch, which is sad, as there are many ways to skin the cat of our nation's needs and woes. That old guard, the Tip O'Neills and Bob Dole's could argue strongly but still LIKE and RESPECT each other, rather than going for the jugular.

We were that way in my Army office, having "violent debate" but doing so over a Guinness and walking out the door loving each other as fellow laborers in OUR efforts to improve OUR Army - one for all and all for one.

s/Mike
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:52 PM
 
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We were that way in my Army office, having "violent debate" but doing so over a Guinness and walking out the door loving each other as fellow laborers in OUR efforts to improve OUR Army - one for all and all for one.
s/Mike
Danged right.

One of my very best friends is far more liberal than am I - he's an English professor. Either of us would do literally anything for the other and/or his family. But we also have fantastic discussions, almost all of which find us on opposite sides of the fence.

But here's what I've found about virtually every discussion of this nature. If we're honest enough with ourselves, we'll admit that most of our differences are in degrees, not in ideals. And a lot of our differences have to do with what we think is the best way to go about achieving a goal.

I've also found that discussions with those with whom I don't agree are FAR more interesting than discussions with people I agree with. I mean, seriously, where's the fun in sitting there and saying nothing but, "Yeah, that's true, I agree."?
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Old 12-27-2008, 01:56 PM
 
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That part about the old guard is what I'd like to see more. Since the far right took on such a scorched earth policy with Newt and gang, there has been precious little of either side respecting the other. The far right seems to be an all-or-none bunch, which is sad, as there are many ways to skin the cat of our nation's needs and woes. That old guard, the Tip O'Neills and Bob Dole's could argue strongly but still LIKE and RESPECT each other, rather than going for the jugular.
It'll be interesting to see if "the left" takes a scorched earth approach, now that they own both the White House and Congress.

Those in power tend to abuse it - regardless of political leanings.
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:48 AM
 
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Read it a while back before the elections, good read.

Check out "Paranoid Nation" by Matt Towery while your at it, paints a good picture of the recap of the 2008 elections from a campaign standpoint.
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