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Old 12-29-2008, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Troops' support of Obama iffy: poll :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: 44: Barack Obama (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1352687,CST-NWS-mili29.article - broken link)

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''Being that the Marine Corps can be sent anywhere in the world with the snap of his fingers, nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief," said one lance corporal who asked not to be identified.
Can't say as I blame them for that attitude. Let's not forget his plans, if implemented, would have had our troops leaving Iraq in humiliation and defeat.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Downtown Silver Spring
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That's all well and good but the fact of the matter remains the same. He will be C-in-C. If the LCpl can't handle that, then leave the Corps. Simple as ABC.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:24 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Yeah, what a bad idea to come home to their families. I'm sure they've got so much more respect for the president who put them there in the first place. And oh wait, you may want to notice this last paragraph...The responses are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The survey group overall under-represents minorities, women and junior enlisted service members, and over-represents soldiers.

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Old 12-29-2008, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Troops' support of Obama iffy: poll :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: 44: Barack Obama (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1352687,CST-NWS-mili29.article - broken link)



Can't say as I blame them for that attitude. Let's not forget his plans, if implemented, would have had our troops leaving Iraq in humiliation and defeat.
Bush told us all we had won.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Downtown Silver Spring
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Bush told us all we had won.
I don't even know which one we won. Is it the WMD war, or the Freedom and Democracy war, or the able to defend themselves war, or the Al-qaeda war. I don't even know anymore.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:38 PM
 
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The Obama Plan is the one Bush decided to jump on the bandwagon for after the Iraqis found the plan just about right. All of a sudden "no timetables" went poof. So the bulk of the troops will come home. All the humiliation and defeat will belong not to them, but to Bush...
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yeah, what a bad idea to come home to their families.
You think they are coming home any time soon? Another 3 years our troops will be there - and any that leave Iraq will be going to Afghanistan.

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The Obama Plan is the one Bush decided to jump on the bandwagon for after the Iraqis found the plan just about right. All of a sudden "no timetables" went poof. So the bulk of the troops will come home. All the humiliation and defeat will belong not to them, but to Bush...
Oh my goodness - this is laughable. If obama had his way, our troops would have been out in march of 2008 - remember? His 18 months timetable for withdrawal IN PLACE of the surge of late 2006. So, in march of 2008 the last of our troops would have left Iraq to AQ and the insurgents. Can't get around these facts, can you?

During the general, obama was putting for a 16-month timetable for withdrawal, which would have the troops out at the end of 2009 - that's not going to happen, is it? Tack another 2 years onto that. The ONLY reason they can come home in victory is because of the surge, which obama was thoroughly against. I know the Left will try desperately to give this victory to obama, but the facts and the timeline are working against them.

To say his plan was picked up by the Iraqi's and bush is truly revisionist history, even before it happens.
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Old 12-29-2008, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Downtown Silver Spring
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You think they are coming home any time soon? Another 3 years our troops will be there - and any that leave Iraq will be going to Afghanistan.



Oh my goodness - this is laughable. If obama had his way, our troops would have been out in march of 2008 - remember? His 18 months timetable for withdrawal IN PLACE of the surge of late 2006. So, in march of 2008 the last of our troops would have left Iraq to AQ and the insurgents. Can't get around these facts, can you?

During the general, obama was putting for a 16-month timetable for withdrawal, which would have the troops out at the end of 2009 - that's not going to happen, is it? Tack another 2 years onto that. The ONLY reason they can come home in victory is because of the surge, which obama was thoroughly against. I know the Left will try desperately to give this victory to obama, but the facts and the timeline are working against them.

To say his plan was picked up by the Iraqi's and bush is truly revisionist history, even before it happens.
Come home in Victory? Do people still say things like that with a straight face? What is the mission and how does one define victory? Is it because the capabilities of the main AIM group have been degraded? If this is currently a Victory, explain Mosul? I love it when people accuse others of revising history when the accusers have a shaky grasp of the history that is supposedly being revised.

Also, the "surge" was just one factor our of a few which led to the big declines in US deaths and a significant decline in the deaths of Iraqi troops and Civilians (I wonder if the death of Contractors and TCN's get included in these estimates?). The "Surge" on its own would not have yielded these results.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:12 PM
 
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Do people still say things like that with a straight face?
Ha.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:24 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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You think they are coming home any time soon? Another 3 years our troops will be there - and any that leave Iraq will be going to Afghanistan.
If that's true, than even better they'll have a plan to w/draw them sooner, otherwise they'd be overseas longer than that, right? Oh yeah, and Afghanistan is where they SHOULD be. What's your opposition to ending this thing & getting them out of there? You want them to stay there even longer? Sounds like someone who really doesn't care about the troops.
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