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Old 01-13-2009, 09:59 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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SLEDGE, Mississippi (CNN) -- James Presley stands amid chopped cotton, the thick Mississippi mud caked on his well-worn boots. A smile spreads across his face when he talks about voting for Barack Obama and what that might mean for generations to come.


Grandson of slaves: Obama is our Moses - CNN.com
Unfortunately for them, Obama is NOT like Moses for one very important reason: He's not from a line of slaves. His father was not an American black man who was born into a family of slave ancestors, his father was an African who chose to come to America.

That being said, the message of hope that Obama brings to some of the more downtrodden Americans can only be a good thing. Hope is never bad, and it's better to put hope in politics than to put fear and paranoia, which is what was instilled in them for the past 8 years.
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:03 AM
 
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Oh dear! Excuse me! I just thought maybe the OP had a POINT!
I think the point was rather self-evident, sharing a news item that might stir the minds of the intellectually curious. So, perhaps that smack might do you some good.

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And discussions of Moses should go to the religion forum.
As I pointed out, Moses plays a pivotal role in African American theology, which I neglected to point out, has always been a theology of liberation and as such, and within the this context, is quite political and fitting for this forum.

So, allow me to restate,

It is hardly surprising for the grandson of slaves to apply the honorific, Moses, upon Obama. From even a secular sense, Moses having delivered slaves (Hebrews in the bible) from bondage attains greater relevance for African Americans than even perhaps Jesus. In recognition of that, Moses and now Obama, can be seen as the most important African American leader since Martin Luther King Jr. And, to carry the metaphor even further, one could argue that in the 40 years since King's assassination African Americans while making tremendous gains, have been wandering leaderless through the wilderness, but have now gained a visible new leader that will take them to the promised land (biblically speaking).
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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Moses didn't have a term limit... Moses led his people to the promised land. Is Obama going to move people somewhere?
Hopefully he'll lead them into a 21st century reality.
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Old 01-13-2009, 11:57 AM
 
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Hopefully he'll lead them into a 21st century reality.
We've had enough of 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th Century reality, I think we are on the way to shaping the reality of the 21st. Thank you very much.

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Old 01-13-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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I think the point was rather self-evident, sharing a news item that might stir the minds of the intellectually curious. So, perhaps that smack might do you some good.



As I pointed out, Moses plays a pivotal role in African American theology, which I neglected to point out, has always been a theology of liberation and as such, and within the this context, is quite political and fitting for this forum.

So, allow me to restate,

It is hardly surprising for the grandson of slaves to apply the honorific, Moses, upon Obama. From even a secular sense, Moses having delivered slaves (Hebrews in the bible) from bondage attains greater relevance for African Americans than even perhaps Jesus. In recognition of that, Moses and now Obama, can be seen as the most important African American leader since Martin Luther King Jr. And, to carry the metaphor even further, one could argue that in the 40 years since King's assassination African Americans while making tremendous gains, have been wandering leaderless through the wilderness, but have now gained a visible new leader that will take them to the promised land (biblically speaking).
No, the smack will not make me interested in a what a total stranger has to say about bible fantasies....nor what you have to say about bible fantasies.
But if you choose to worship Obama as a some bilical saviour it's your right...have at it....but I hate to tell ya...miracles are also fantasy and that's what Obama will need to help this country.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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No, the smack will not make me interested in a what a total stranger has to say about bible fantasies....nor what you have to say about bible fantasies.
But if you choose to worship Obama as a some bilical saviour it's your right...have at it....but I hate to tell ya...miracles are also fantasy and that's what Obama will need to help this country.

Bible fantasies, Greek mythology, Norse sagas, all provide literary characters can and are used to metaphorically express a sentiment or an ideal. So, whether you believe in the existence of Moses or even the biblical tale of Jewish enslavement (which has been called into question) is really unimportant to the narrative. As for worship... that's pretty much an overused throw away line whose sell date has come and gone. And, with regards to miracles, I think that for a certain segment of the nation, the very election of Obama is a miracle enough for several generations regardless as to where the country may or may not be headed.
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:16 PM
 
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Will he be able to turn water into wine?
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:35 PM
 
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Will he be able to turn water into wine?
...well if he can, it would be a great miracle to perform for the crowd at the national mall. Talk about an inauguration party!
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Old 01-13-2009, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Home is where the heart is
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...well if he can, it would be a great miracle to perform for the crowd at the national mall. Talk about an inauguration party!
ps. Moses wasn't the one who turned water into wine. But, on the other hand, so what--it would still be a cool thing to be able to do.
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Old 01-13-2009, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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Didn't Moses lead his people to be stuck in the desert worshipping a golden cattle? Sounds like the ditch we're currently in. Let's hope we don't get stuck in this desert of a mess for the next 8 years.
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