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Old 01-16-2009, 08:41 AM
 
Location: in purgurtory in London
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....if Bush hadn't made such a mess of things?
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Old 01-16-2009, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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Nope. America still has a wee little problem with blacks.
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Old 01-16-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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No.
There were many voters who changed sides as a result of the Bush administrations' incompetence.

Ken
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:24 AM
 
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....if Bush hadn't made such a mess of things?
Well, conventional wisdom would say that if a siting President hadn't screwed up, it is highly unlikely that the opposing party's candidate would have won. So without Bush's unprecedented and colossal blunders, it is highly unlikely that any Democrat would have won he election. But having said that, I don't think that Bush's blunders had very much to do with the outcome of the Democratic primary (absent Hillary's unapologetic vote for the war in Iraq).
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Old 01-16-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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....if Bush hadn't made such a mess of things?
NO I dont I also dont blame Bush alone for the economy.
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Old 01-16-2009, 10:35 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Lightbulb Do you think Obama would have been elected

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....if Bush hadn't made such a mess of things?

I seriously doubt it. Bush's one positive achievement was to make such a horrible mess that it set the stage for Obama's triumphant victory. America will be better off for it in the long run. We have some suffering to endure in the interim, though. And that will always be what Bush is remebered for. And rightly so.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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....if Bush hadn't made such a mess of things?
Probably Obama would have still won. The Republicans weren't running an incumbent (Cheney wasn't running), so things were going to be a toss up anyway.

The real presidential election happened in the Democratic primary, where Obama came from behind to beat the favorite. That had nothing to do with Bush.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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....if Bush hadn't made such a mess of things?
Which I expected to see from him, going back to 2000. There was no way Bush could have done any better, he just didn't have it. It is the price we had to pay for electing incompetence.
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:13 PM
 
Location: in purgurtory in London
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I seriously doubt it. Bush's one positive achievement was to make such a horrible mess that it set the stage for Obama's triumphant victory. America will be better off for it in the long run. We have some suffering to endure in the interim, though. And that will always be what Bush is remebered for. And rightly so.
Exactly what I thought. But do you think his legacy starts now? I hear pundits say his legacy will be determined further down the road.
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Road Warrior
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Hmmmm ... I'm not so sure McCain would've won either, but perhaps it would've gone to a more moderate Democrat such as Clinton who was the frontrunner to being with since polls taken way back in 2005. Obama just happened to fit the role of a "Washington outsider" better than Hillary. However Hillary might've picked Obama as VP.
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