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Old 01-19-2009, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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[quote=jeepejeep;7068011]Read the first post by mcdan. This discribes my fears about Obama.
Barack Obama is a narcissist. Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author - Investor's Iraq Forum - Iraq Dinar Forum, Iraq Investments, Iraq Stock Exchange, Iraq Bank, Iraq News, Iraqi Dinar

Thank you for the link. What an interesting and compelling article. What I find scarey is the fact that I believe it to be true. There is more then meets-the-eye here; his ties with the racist pastor, arabs, etc. There is always the theory: "What if" he has been groomed for this position? Take it from there and fear can really set in. I am sincerely hoping things will change, but for the better, not the worst. It does appear he has some kind of cult type following that think he can change the problems with a snap of the finger; what happens when he can't and doesn't?
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:51 PM
 
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Just b/c the debt went up from 2001-08, doesn't justify it going up EVEN MORE once Obama is President. How do the same mistakes that got us into the problem help us get out of them? They don't; they just make it WORSE!

Look at the nonsense that they are calling the recovery plan:


Power Line - Biggest Boondoggle in American History (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022586.php - broken link)
This is probably a topic for a different thread. Personally it's about context. We were (supposedly) flourishing in the middle of this decade around the time we entered the Iraq war. Taxes and interest rates should have been raised at that point to slow borrowing down and to help pay off the national debt. It was the bad move then, right now we need to borrow because the economy is doing poorly.

It's like saying schools suck because we don't fund them well enough, but that ignores the context of the entire situation.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:52 PM
Status: "Pensar en la inmortalidad del cangrejo" (set 15 days ago)
 
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Hey I do not support all the borrowing but I cant help but wonder how Bush borrowing got us into this mess but Obama borrowing so much more is going to get us out of it

I thought low debt was good but now it seems that the higher you make the national debt the better.

I also dont get this depending on the gov to set your standard of living. My life has improved the past years.
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Just b/c the debt went up from 2001-08, doesn't justify it going up EVEN MORE once Obama is President. How do the same mistakes that got us into the problem help us get out of them? They don't; they just make it WORSE!

Look at the nonsense that they are calling the recovery plan:


Power Line - Biggest Boondoggle in American History (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022586.php - broken link)
http://www.city-data.com/forum/7062075-post23.html

also the Paul Krugman letter kindly linked here by movingforward: What Obama Must Do

The govt "setting your standard of living" - what does that mean? If the govt helps you keep your job - or as some would prefer, allows your job and your job's industry to collapse - I guess that affects your standard of living.
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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...The govt "setting your standard of living" - what does that mean? If the govt helps you keep your job - or as some would prefer, allows your job and your job's industry to collapse - I guess that affects your standard of living.
If it does so at the expense of the free market, it's ultimately BAD for us, not good. Because that means it's ultimately at the expense of OUR freedoms as well.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:03 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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The purpose of this thread is not to start a bash or to have people start bashing Bush or Republicans, it is to discuss our worries about the new President. If you have to post something negative about others, please start your own thread or post elsewhere.

I for one am very worried about the new President. I was never fooled by his resume or lack of qualifications for the office of President. I watched him stutter and stammer when asked questions that made him deviate from his prepared speeches. He promoted change and it is obvious he has no intention of changing. His complete and utter lack of experience scares me. His socialist ties and agendas will only help to promote the ruin of this country. And the worst part of it all is his obvious involvement in the corruption that is Illinois politics. Also, his wife could give Hillary a run for the dubious mantra of scariest first lady. I will give him credit for a good sense of humor and I think he knows how to have a modicum of bipartisanship. He also seems to have some energy too.

But overall, I am not seeing a qualified person of character who will be great for our country. I see a weak Jimmy Carter styled President who will potentially cause great harm. I honestly hope he proves me wrong.

Any else have worries they care to share?
I'm not worried - I'm very hopeful and optimistic... I think he will be a great president!!!

Don't let your opinion be influenced by the constant attacks against the man by Limgaugh and Hannity - they have their own profit-oriented agenda...

Obama's lack of experience in DC is a definite PLUS with me - he hasn't had time to be corrupted like so many others have.

His idea of service to the country, sharing in the sacrifice to rebuild our economy and our country, and concern for the working class - all give me tremendous hope for the future of our country...

He is definitely going to raise our standing in the world - and our formerly 'cold' allies will warm to working with us again...

I think America's brightest days are definitely ahead of us - and Obama is
the perfect choice to lead us there.

And for not wanting anyone to 'bash' Bush or the Republicans - you did a pretty good job bashing Obama in your OP... Fact is, Obama is a mega-improvement over the Bush regime - and the near ruination he and his republican minions have brought us to.

You don't get to trash Obama - and then expect others not to counter with criticism of Bush.. sorry - it doesn't work that way...

How's that for worry???
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:07 PM
Status: "Pensar en la inmortalidad del cangrejo" (set 15 days ago)
 
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If it does so at the expense of the free market, it's ultimately BAD for us, not good. Because that means it's ultimately at the expense of OUR freedoms as well.
I cant think of anything to say to this besides "Are you serious?!"

The problem is, there's theory on paper and then there's reality.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: The Planet Mars
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If it does so at the expense of the free market, it's ultimately BAD for us, not good. Because that means it's ultimately at the expense of OUR freedoms as well.
Did you learn absolutely NOTHING from the past 8 years of disastrous leadership and policy?

Letting the free-market run-wild is the biggest part of what got us into this economic mess we are in.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Southeast Alaska
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Exactly who is "The Smirking Chimp"? Please clarify.

That would be George W. Bush...the squatter taking up space in the White House for the last 8 years

Where have you been the last 8 years, he has enjoyed the title all that time

The Smirking Chimp...

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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It was govt regulation, not the free market that caused a lot of our financial problems right now.

For one: Forcing mortgage companies lend to unqualified people without demanding a downpayment, just for the sake of feeling good about giving everyone the American dream is not a free market concept.

People who were unable to afford the house they bought were encouraged to do so anyway, and with no vested interest in the property, were perfectly able to walk away from it as if they had merely rented it.

Were there other issues? Sure. Is some regulation necessary? Sure. But this was out of hand, and is a major cause of our problems right now.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:34 PM
 
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Its called filibuster and its blocked
Congratulations. There is such a thing as a filibuster. Can you then show me EITHER 1) a filibuster, or 2) a motion for cloture filed to end a filibuster, of ANY legislation purported to represent Bush's desires to improve oversight of Fannie Mae? Hmmm?
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