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With God and faith being so evident over the last two days in all of the events the there is no God folk must be pondering what they are missing. The there is no God folk who objected to the use of God in the oath must be stuck in bed from their melt down. The last two days have been joyous as we as nation shout that faith plays a major role in our national identity. We are a nation of immigrants but we are also a nation of faith from around the world. Are there others celebrating the recognition of God in our lives by our national leaders?
Sorry, TuborgP, what you're noticing is not meltdown, but apathy. Faith is a big part of a lot of people's lives, and it's become required for people in politics. I think that's silly, but there you go.
I do find it interesting that a person of faith would be so convinced that there should have been an uproar (or something similar) that he/she takes it as a sign of meltdown when one doesn't happen. But that's faith for you. A reality-based answer is that nobody's melting down. Nobody much cares.
Sorry, TuborgP, what you're noticing is not meltdown, but apathy. Faith is a big part of a lot of people's lives, and it's become required for people in politics. I think that's silly, but there you go.
I do find it interesting that a person of faith would be so convinced that there should have been an uproar (or something similar) that he/she takes it as a sign of meltdown when one doesn't happen. But that's faith for you. A reality-based answer is that nobody's melting down. Nobody much cares.
I don't think you were that worked up about the use of God and religion before yesterday. I was thinking more of the folks who were. http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/01/1...-inauguration/
A couple weeks ago, Barack Obama picked Rick Warren to deliver his Inauguration’s invocation prayer. The gay community was (rightfully) mad. At the same time, Obama announced that Rev. Joseph Lowery would give the benediction prayer. Lowery is a little better on gay issues, but he still opposes gay marriage.
Atheists were mad that prayer was being used in the inauguration in the first place: Why was he mixing church and state? (We even filed a lawsuit.)
What has Obama done to respond to our frustration and anger?
He’s brought on two more Christian pastors.
The above is from the link
Remember there were lawsuits to prevent the use of the word God so those folks were certainly worked up.
Hey, being an atheist is like being a Dem in Idaho. I am both, and they are very similar. We've gotten to the point where a person can call him- or herself an atheist and won't get assaulted or driven from town. But you can kiss that political career goodbye. So there is progress. But we take our victories small and far between.
The fact that the inauguration proceeded much the way every inauguration proceeds isn't something that hurts us.
Again, no meltdown.
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Sorry, TuborgP, what you're noticing is not meltdown, but apathy. Faith is a big part of a lot of people's lives, and it's become required for people in politics. I think that's silly, but there you go.
I do find it interesting that a person of faith would be so convinced that there should have been an uproar (or something similar) that he/she takes it as a sign of meltdown when one doesn't happen. But that's faith for you. A reality-based answer is that nobody's melting down. Nobody much cares.
I am glad that Obama is illustrating that religion and faith is present in democrats as well as republicans. There are atheists and theists on both sides of the aisle, and it was a false claim of the right that religion belonged to republicans. If the religious aspects of the inauguration bring more people into the Obama fold, all the better. Personally, I am an atheist.
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With God and faith being so evident over the last two days in all of the events the there is no God folk must be pondering what they are missing. The there is no God folk who objected to the use of God in the oath must be stuck in bed from their melt down. The last two days have been joyous as we as nation shout that faith plays a major role in our national identity. We are a nation of immigrants but we are also a nation of faith from around the world. Are there others celebrating the recognition of God in our lives by our national leaders?
I don't know why you feel it's necessary to gloat but, if it makes you feel better, so be it. Perhaps you're not as comfortable in your faith as you claim.
Nevertheless, Obama's administration still promises to base policy on science as opposed to superstition. So, I'm one atheist who's pleased.
I don't know why you feel it's necessary to gloat but, if it makes you feel better, so be it. Perhaps you're not as comfortable in your faith as you claim.
Nevertheless, Obama's administration still promises to base policy on science as opposed to superstition. So, I'm one atheist who's pleased.
They will find faith where ever they can find it , anything to justify what they can't prove , or are unwilling to admit. Sounds a lot like the previous administration.
With God and faith being so evident over the last two days in all of the events the there is no God folk must be pondering what they are missing. The there is no God folk who objected to the use of God in the oath must be stuck in bed from their melt down. The last two days have been joyous as we as nation shout that faith plays a major role in our national identity. We are a nation of immigrants but we are also a nation of faith from around the world. Are there others celebrating the recognition of God in our lives by our national leaders?
As someone who was Christian and now Agnostic, I can say that I had no meltdown yesterday and I assume most atheists/agnostics felt the same way. In fact, I was very happy and moved by the day's events. I don't care that people have faith...whatever helps get them through the day. Of course Obama is going to recognize God...he knows his audience. I can definitely assure you I am not pondering what I am missing. Not sure why it's important to you that nonbelievers were having a "meltdown". Usually, reassurance is a sign of uncertainty.
I myself wonder about the reaction of those who insisted that Obama was muslim or quasi-muslim (WTF is that?). Are they now convinced that Obama is not muslim?
With God and faith being so evident over the last two days in all of the events the there is no God folk must be pondering what they are missing. The there is no God folk who objected to the use of God in the oath must be stuck in bed from their melt down. The last two days have been joyous as we as nation shout that faith plays a major role in our national identity. We are a nation of immigrants but we are also a nation of faith from around the world. Are there others celebrating the recognition of God in our lives by our national leaders?
Hmmm, I think you are mistaking famewh*res with run of the mill atheists/agnostics. Most of us are quite comfortable around religion and actually have respect for those that practice it. A live and let live attitude if you will. The other atheists who sue at the drop of a hat.....completely annoying and total famewh*res, they are the Paris Hiltons of atheism and not to be taken seriously
As to the religiousity of the event....I'm fine with that. If it represents Obamas views why shouldn't he have it on his day? Besides, the majority of people are some form of Christianity so it only makes sense. And Warrens prayer was quite nice, and while I don't believe in the 'big guy' I completely agree with the sentiments of the prayer itself.
One last thing.......did you catch Obamas 'shout out' to the unbelievers in our midst? I did, and I appreciated that as well.
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