Obama's not so smiley! (enemies, conservative, regime, Pelosi)

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by justamere10

Isn't it wonderful to have a life and the opportunity to deal with issues?

And these people want to deny life to many. How hypocritical.

Those that support abortion are as evil as those who perform them, in my opinion.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by momonkey

You can call yourself an astronaut too, but if you don't actually do something for NASA once in a while, I gotta wonder. I'm personally suspicious of people who claim to know what awaits us after this life unless they can prove what they are talking about. The Bible has proven over hundreds and thousands of years that its Prophets had knowledge of the future that exceeds mortal man's. That's the rational reason I put my faith is Jesus. The other 499 are false.

Mathematical Bible Prophecy

http://www.ellisskolfield.com/pdf/TFPChapters1-9.pdf

Bible Prophecy - Ellis Skolfield

There are so many contradictions and broad generalities in the Bible people read into it and choose to believe what they wish. And having been written by men the Bible is subject to all the flaws of men.

The claim "My God is better than your God" is the root cause of far too much evil in the world.

[delusianne]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

I could never understand why you people think that the taxpayers should fund these so-called "clinics". Let them find there own funding, like any other private orgaization.

These places are all about abortion. Nothing more. That's been well documented for many years. I resent that my tax dollars fall into the hands of these baby killers.

Are you saying you believe those clinics provide ONLY abortions? No birth control, no HIV/AIDS and other STD care, no counseling? That's absurd, and it insults George Bush's efforts on behalf of fighting AIDS in Africa too.

"Critics have long held that the rule unfairly discriminates against the world's poor by denying U.S. aid to groups that may be involved in abortion but also work on other aspects of reproductive health care and HIV/AIDS, leading to the closure of free and low-cost rural clinics." - Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban - broken link)

These arent irresponsible middle-class American teenagers in this situation. It's harder for these women to skip down to the clinic to pick up some birth control than it is here. Their hospitals are bad and the child and mother mortality rates are high. Abortions would be "needed" and done anyway; these at least are medically safe and clean.

Breaking the Silence: The Global Gag Rule's Impact on Unsafe Abortion | Center for Reproductive Rights

These women likely are mothers already. Would you rather they take their chances in an unsafe setting, and risk dying themselves? Who's going to care for their living kids - you?

It's ugly but it's something that does occur. Like it or not it just does, and has throughout history in every culture. Until several varieties of safe birth control are free and easily accessible it's going to be part of "life."

This funding of abortions in other countries was funded during the Clinton Admin and rescinded during the Bush Admin. When the next Republican president comes in no doubt it'll be rescinded again.

Awful as it is, you have to be realistic. Obama is being realistic; the Bush Admin, by pandering to its anti-abortion supporters in the US, was not.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by SeeBee

My, you are a nasty sort, aren't you? Just as I suspected, you don't know what you are talking about, and can't support your attacks with fact. You are describing the President as evil, because you remember something in the news, but are unable to minimally define that "something" as a bill from either the Senate or the House. But you don't live in Illinois, so that's OK! Typical of your ilk.

This is French for "I'm too lazy to do the research", so I'll accuse the poster of making it up or being unable to "support [my argument] with fact".

Why don't you look it up? Google it. Why should I research it for you. It is fact. And it is well known that Obama supports abortion for any reason.

Originally Posted by SeeBee

Furthermore, I asked you a polite question and you are unable to respond with anything other than insults. Re-read my post. It is was clear what I said when I asked you if it's "like [similar to]Manifest Destiny." Understand that there is a correlation if "everything [as well as: "etc.etc.etc."] is predetermined. That's your word, not mine. That is, it would be clear if you knew what Manifest Destiny was.

Try to deliver a cogent argument, and not rely on flinging around insults if you want to be taken seriously. Clearly, you seem not capable of expressing yourself without resorting to rudeness.

My argument was cogent. I can't help it if you can't understand it.

To repeat (for your benefit): At the instant of conception, everything about a person is determined; sex, hair color, eye color, body type, height, personality traits, intelligence, abilities (artist, musician, mathematician, scientific mind, etc., etc.).

Was that hard to understand?

This is basic biology class from 7th grade, learning about human reproduction.

Originally Posted by SeeBee

"Perhaps after I dwell on that thought longer, I will come up with the words to articulate it." I doubt it, but do try a lot more of that "dwelling."

Typical leftist jab and personal attack because you have no argument.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by momonkey

No one I know is concerned about birth control pills and condoms being dispensed by clinics in other countries. Murdering babies because they are an inconvenient consequence of irresponsible behavior is something different.

Lunatic Christian rantings? Is someone a lunatic because they are a Christian, because they disagree with you or both?

Both.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by newtoli

I suggest you do further research on this matter.

Before this change, any organization that offered abortion as a part of their services which often include AIDS prevention and STD treatment, could not receive funds, even if those funds were going towards AIDS prevention and not abortion.

Therefore, this change is NOT to specifically give money ONLY for abortions, it simply opens up funding to a multitude of other aid organizations who could not receive assistance before, simply because they also offer abortion services in addition to others.

Oh, sure. And how do you know how these funds are spent?

[domergurl]

Originally Posted by justamere10

President Obama promised that he'd paste a friendly happy face on the USA image abroad.

I don't know ... this put a smile on my face this morning! hmmm ... helping organizations teach family planning and provide birth control to poor nations? Helping provide SAFE abortions if need be?

The timing couldn't have been better either! Thursday was the day that catholic women could go and confess their sin and be absolved ... HA!!!

[domergurl]

Originally Posted by nononsenseguy

And these people want to deny life to many. How hypocritical.

Those that support abortion are as evil as those who perform them, in my opinion.

How Christian of you.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by justamere10

Thanks for explaining. But it's still all about providing tax payer dollars for ABORTION. That's the only change coming from Obama's pen. Nothing was taken away, nothing has changed except now my tax dollars help facilitate abortion in foreign countries.

That's exactly right.

[nononsenseguy]

Originally Posted by newtoli

Not all groups were receiving funding, due to the fact that some offered abortion.

Now those groups can ALSO offer services to women.

You place the value of a potential life over the life of an already born, suffering woman.

"Potential life"? A baby in the womb is not living?

"Suffering woman"?

Originally Posted by newtoli

Due to the fact that a clinic could possibly offer an abortion, you would take away all other services this woman could obtain, such as birth control, which would PREVENT further abortions, simply because the clinic offers abortion as a service.

Would you rather the woman have access to a choice of birth control or an abortion, or access to nothing at all? It would not necessarily stop the woman from obtaining a abortion somewhere else, whereas, having all services available could prevent another unplanned pregnancy.

These are all the usual weak arguments for taxpayer funding of these so-called "services".