Obama's not so smiley! (illegal, Americans, dollar, world)

[delusianne]

Originally Posted by justamere10

I guess I misunderstood then. Please explain to me why Fox News was wrong and that no tax dollars will be spent to pay for abortions in foreign countries.

Your tax dollars go to pay for abortions here in the United States right now.

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

“We are experiencing an unprecedented economic crisis that has to be dealt with and dealt with rapidly,”

So the solution is to kill more unborn people? Sorry, I just don't know how your statement is relevant to this topic, please explain, thanks.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by justamere10

I guess I misunderstood then. Please explain to me why Fox News was wrong and that no tax dollars will be spent to pay for abortions in foreign countries.

Just because you think it's a "baby", doesn't mean you should decide what an aid organization does with money already allocated to this, for a woman in a third world country who is carrying a pregnancy as the result of rape.

[NoOBama]

Originally Posted by burdell

Meaningless question, your tax money IS NOT going to be used to kill unborn babies.

Then why was that the reason it was unfunded before? I think your mis-informed
Note: George W. Bush spent more on Aids than any other persons pen on this earth.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by justamere10

So the solution is to kill more unborn people? Sorry, I just don't know how your statement is relevant to this topic, please explain, thanks.

At a time where we have no more money $400,000,000 is no little sum. No need to spend money overseas if we don't have any here.

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by newtoli

The same amount of money that was made available to overseas family planning will not change. That money is not strictly going to fund abortions. It funds organizations that perform a wide variety of family planning services - and now can be spread out even more to organizations that also provide abortions. Will some money now go to abortions? Yes. Will more of that money now reach women in need of birth control, HIV medication/testing, STD prevention/testing, prenatal case. Absolutely. All this does is make services of all kinds more accessible to women overseas.

As I understand it the Obama move resulted in the overturning of Bush's ban on federal funding of groups that provided abortion as one of their services.

Family planning groups already exist and many probably have been receiving taxpayer dollars for a long time. The Obama change then is that they will (probably for most once again) be able to facilitate the killing of unborn children and not risk losing their funding. To me it's all about abortion, not about those other things you mention.

Is that correct?

[BigJon3475]

If abortion rights activist are so hell bent on health care over seas why don't the donate money to those organizations. Odd they push hard for this and complain how bad our health care system is....

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by delusianne

Your tax dollars go to pay for abortions here in the United States right now.

That does not justify Obama's change to allow federal funds to flow to organizations that facilitate the killing of unborn babies in foreign countries.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by justamere10

As I understand it the Obama move resulted in the overturning of Bush's ban on federal funding of groups that provided abortion as one of their services.

Family planning groups already exist and many probably have been receiving taxpayer dollars for a long time. The Obama change then is that they will (probably for most once again) be able to facilitate the killing of unborn children and not risk losing their funding. To me it's all about abortion, not about those other things you mention.

Is that correct?

Not all groups were receiving funding, due to the fact that some offered abortion.

Now those groups can ALSO offer services to women.

You place the value of a potential life over the life of an already born, suffering woman. Due to the fact that a clinic could possibly offer an abortion, you would take away all other services this woman could obtain, such as birth control, which would PREVENT further abortions, simply because the clinic offers abortion as a service.

Would you rather the woman have access to a choice of birth control or an abortion, or access to nothing at all? It would not necessarily stop the woman from obtaining a abortion somewhere else, whereas, having all services available could prevent another unplanned pregnancy.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

If abortion rights activist are so hell bent on health care over seas why don't the donate money to those organizations. Odd they push hard for this and complain how bad our health care system is....

I do.

I volunteer as well.

Maybe people so fanatically against abortion could donate towards organizations that do not provide abortions and work towards reducing them, rather than demonizing the women that obtain them.