Obama's not so smiley! (Iraq, thought, democratic, Republican)

[songgirl]

Originally Posted by justamere10

I tend to agree with you but I think an Obama priority is to improve the image of Americans abroad. Personally I think killing more unborn babies in foreign countries is not going to do the trick.

Doing what he can to ensure that women (and men) around the world have the same access to treatment for STD's, receive sex education and the availability of all forms of birth control , as well as all the same options made available for unplanned pregnancies as American women have, actually will have a very positive effect on our relationships with foreign countries, IMO.

It's about providing options without bias, not advocating one option over another.

You may be against abortion under all circumstances and that is a valid view. But many people don't share that view and their stance is just as valid. So any assistance we provide to foreign countries should be as comprehensive as possible to reflect ALL viewpoints.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by justamere10

Most Christians donate to the church they affiliate with. Most Christian churches teach sexual abstinence prior to marriage. With the exception of rape, most Christian families love and welcome their children, all of them. Churches do not need tax payer money to help eliminate the social problems your groups help address.

And few Christians "demonize" anyone, they are taught to love, forgive, and help others.

I volunteered at a clinic for quite some time.

The "Christians" I saw outside protesting on a daily basis were horrific to the women entering.

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by delusianne

In Post #9 newtoli explains that it's not "all about" abortion, and that in fact Obama's pen changed quite a bit.

In post 17 he/she stated: "The same amount of money that was made available to overseas family planning will not change."

It IS all about abortion funding. Those groups that may pre-Obama have had to go it on their own without my tax dollars because they offered abortion will now be able to do it even better because they now have my money too. Obama's change may also result in many new groups starting up because they can count on the public purse to help them "serve" more women in foreign countries by making it easier for them to kill their unwanted unborn children.

Sorry, I know I'm coming on strong but that's just the way I see it. I do NOT want one cent of my money going towards the killing of any unborn child anywhere, regardless of whatever else the group that offers that "service" happens to do for good or for ill.

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by karfar

So you're also against the use of birth control, providing annual pap smears & also counseling?

What does that have to do with using USA tax money to help kill unborn children in foreign countries? That's the topic of discussion.

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by broadbill

and so if abortion was made illegal again, what penalty should women face for having illegal abortions?

The loss of their unborn child. And possibly years of grief and regret for those who have anything left of a badly seared conscience. But ultimately God will be the judge of our behavior on earth, of that I am certain.

[karfar]

Originally Posted by justamere10

What does that have to do with using USA tax money to help kill unborn children in foreign countries? That's the topic of discussion.

Uh, no it's not just about abortions, if you haven't' noticed by the other posts on here. You clearly haven't understood this. These clinics provide much more than just abortions, yet you're stuck on the abortion side of it. And I ask you, these clinics provide birth control, family planning, counseling, PAP smears, etc. etc. etc. Would you prefer these services were not provided?

[justamere10]

Originally Posted by karfar

So you're also against the use of birth control, providing annual pap smears & also counseling?

I'm against the use of abortion as a form of birth control. I am not against the providing of pap smears and proper counseling for those who need it. That counseling in my opinion should include valid information about the potential effects of having killed one's unborn child.

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by karfar

I am of the opinion that you actually don't really understand what this is. Providing abortions is one aspect of these clinics. Family planning & women's health is the majority. Please please, I beg of you people, do some research before you post your lunatic christian rantings.

No one I know is concerned about birth control pills and condoms being dispensed by clinics in other countries. Murdering babies because they are an inconvenient consequence of irresponsible behavior is something different.

Lunatic Christian rantings? Is someone a lunatic because they are a Christian, because they disagree with you or both?

[karfar]

Originally Posted by justamere10

I'm against the use of abortion as a form of birth control. I am not against the providing of pap smears and proper counseling for those who need it. That counseling in my opinion should include valid information about the potential effects of having killed one's unborn child.

Exactly....so what is the problem again?

[delusianne]

Originally Posted by justamere10

In post 17 he/she stated: "The same amount of money that was made available to overseas family planning will not change."

It IS all about abortion funding. Those groups that may pre-Obama have had to go it on their own without my tax dollars because they offered abortion will now be able to do it even better because they now have my money too. Obama's change may also result in many new groups starting up because they can count on the public purse to help them "serve" more women in foreign countries by making it easier for them to kill their unwanted unborn children.

Sorry, I know I'm coming on strong but that's just the way I see it. I do NOT want one cent of my money going towards the killing of any unborn child anywhere, regardless of whatever else the group that offers that "service" happens to do for good or for ill.

But it goes anyway, and has been going at one velocity or another since 1973. Did you know your taxes paid for this exact same thing from 1993 to 2001, under Clinton? They just go back and forth with this, the R and the D administrations.

You dont know which of your tax dollars is "the one." How can you avoid paying federal taxes?

Do you mind paying for all the federal waste your taxes go to cover? You're probably still paying for the S&L loan fiasco of the 90s.