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Old 01-30-2009, 11:35 AM
 
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These arent irresponsible...except the digital TV conversion thing.

The arts have been radically cut in schools, to our great and national detriment. "The National Endowment for the Arts is a public agency dedicated to supporting excellence in the arts, both new and established; bringing the arts to all Americans; and providing leadership in arts education. Vision: A nation in which artistic excellence is celebrated, supported, and available to all Americans." NEA At A Glance

earthquakes and volcanoes... if disaster is coming, isnt it good to let people know? These things have to be measured.

They may be noble, but noble does not make it an economic stimulus.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:36 AM
 
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It will create jobs for the honeybees of course! lol...
lol Yeah we cant afford unemployed honeybees now can we
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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Oh I thought the stimulus was about creating jobs.
It's also about trying to make America a better place to live (and work).

The NEA generates jobs, are you kidding?
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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These arent irresponsible...except the digital TV conversion thing.

The arts have been radically cut in schools, to our great and national detriment. "The National Endowment for the Arts is a public agency dedicated to supporting excellence in the arts, both new and established; bringing the arts to all Americans; and providing leadership in arts education. Vision: A nation in which artistic excellence is celebrated, supported, and available to all Americans." NEA At A Glance

earthquakes and volcanoes... if disaster is coming, isnt it good to let people know? These things have to be measured.


The whole package is a dud. And remember, it's on borrowed money!

The TV converter is just one aspect. There was the NEA money, funding for climate change research, upgrading the State Dept computers, school renovation, new Government cars, honeybees, STD prevention counseling, Community Block Grants that are unspecified, food stamps, free Healthcare, extended unemployment benefits and the list goes on.

This package is a joke and, if Obama signs it into law, he and his colleagues in the (D) party will pay at the polls.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:43 AM
 
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It's also about trying to make America a better place to live (and work).
No it's supposed to be about creating jobs.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:45 AM
 
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It's also about trying to make America a better place to live (and work).

The NEA generates jobs, are you kidding?
If you want to make America a better place to work, cut corporate taxes! Give Government LESS control over the Economy. Have Government cut spending! Lower our taxes. Lower our role in worldwide nation building. Give LESS power to unions, in both labor and Education. If you want more regulation, have someone regulate Government spending and the FOMC!

If this spending continues, we are going to be a dumb and our concern will be Americans leaving for America for other countries!
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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$650 million for coupons to help people make the switch to digital TV

How does the government warn the public about severe flooding, tornados, hurricanes or other natural and man made disasters. How is the public notified when their is a need for an evacuation?

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/...2/msg00169.pdf

$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

One of the first places that economic downturns hit are museums and cultural organizations. Libraries, museums are particularly hard hit resulting in layoffs of staff. A society is not only judged by its sky-scrappers but by its cultural contributions. The $50 million dollars for the NEA is to help those organizations maintain staff, i.e. keep employees, jobs, from being lost. By the way, do you know why we know how bleak the Great Depression was? It is because the Federally funded Farm Security Administration hired photographers to go out into the country to document the Great Depression. Many of these photographers, Margret Burke White, Ansel Adams, were sustained during the Great Depression as a result of this jobs program.

PolitiFact | Does the stimulus package really include $300,000 for a sculpture garden?

$200 million for the U.S. Geological Survey to monitor earthquakes and volcanoes

The money is to accelerating satellite development and acquiring climate sensors, you know high tech stuff that employes high tech workers, not illegal aliens so often bandied about on these pages. But then maybe you don't like the idea of skilled workers being supported during a economic downturn whose work might also produce some beneficial long term improvements in our understanding of potentially dangerous natural occurrences.

A Search for Green and Brown Facets of Stimulus Bills - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

One man's pork is another man's house payment. But whether the pork is bacon or tenderloin, the bottom line is somebody gets a job preparing it. In short, if it produces or protects jobs, the money is doing what it is intended to do.

Do yourself a favor, read the bill, not the filters, then THINK!
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:52 AM
 
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No it's supposed to be about creating jobs.
You may not care about museums or whether your local school has a good music program, but I do. I agree with this reasoning (from an article setting forth both sides of the argument):

"We're not going to be able to think about happiness and quality of life only in terms of the next vacation or the bigger house or the new car," Ivey says. "Once we move away from a consumerist view of a high quality of life — once we're forced away from it — arts and culture, creativity, homemade art, those things can begin to come to the fore."

Stimulus Package Includes Millions For The Arts : NPR
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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$650 million for coupons to help people make the switch to digital TV

How does the government warn the public about severe flooding, tornados, hurricanes or other natural and man made disasters. How is the public notified when their is a need for an evacuation?

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/...2/msg00169.pdf

$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

One of the first places that economic downturns hit are museums and cultural organizations. Libraries, museums are particularly hard hit resulting in layoffs of staff. A society is not only judged by its sky-scrappers but by its cultural contributions. The $50 million dollars for the NEA is to help those organizations maintain staff, i.e. keep employees, jobs, from being lost. By the way, do you know why we know how bleak the Great Depression was? It is because the Federally funded Farm Security Administration hired photographers to go out into the country to document the Great Depression. Many of these photographers, Margret Burke White, Ansel Adams, were sustained during the Great Depression as a result of this jobs program.

PolitiFact | Does the stimulus package really include $300,000 for a sculpture garden?

$200 million for the U.S. Geological Survey to monitor earthquakes and volcanoes

The money is to accelerating satellite development and acquiring climate sensors, you know high tech stuff that employes high tech workers, not illegal aliens so often bandied about on these pages. But then maybe you don't like the idea of skilled workers being supported during a economic downturn whose work might also produce some beneficial long term improvements in our understanding of potentially dangerous natural occurrences.

A Search for Green and Brown Facets of Stimulus Bills - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

One man's pork is another man's house payment. But whether the pork is bacon or tenderloin, the bottom line is somebody gets a job preparing it. In short, if it produces or protects jobs, the money is doing what it is intended to do.

Do yourself a favor, read the bill, not the filters, then THINK!
They need you explaining this over there on the Hill ovcatto.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:59 AM
 
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$650 million for coupons to help people make the switch to digital TV

How does the government warn the public about severe flooding, tornados, hurricanes or other natural and man made disasters. How is the public notified when their is a need for an evacuation?

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/...2/msg00169.pdf

$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts

One of the first places that economic downturns hit are museums and cultural organizations. Libraries, museums are particularly hard hit resulting in layoffs of staff. A society is not only judged by its sky-scrappers but by its cultural contributions. The $50 million dollars for the NEA is to help those organizations maintain staff, i.e. keep employees, jobs, from being lost. By the way, do you know why we know how bleak the Great Depression was? It is because the Federally funded Farm Security Administration hired photographers to go out into the country to document the Great Depression. Many of these photographers, Margret Burke White, Ansel Adams, were sustained during the Great Depression as a result of this jobs program.

PolitiFact | Does the stimulus package really include $300,000 for a sculpture garden?

$200 million for the U.S. Geological Survey to monitor earthquakes and volcanoes

The money is to accelerating satellite development and acquiring climate sensors, you know high tech stuff that employes high tech workers, not illegal aliens so often bandied about on these pages. But then maybe you don't like the idea of skilled workers being supported during a economic downturn whose work might also produce some beneficial long term improvements in our understanding of potentially dangerous natural occurrences.

A Search for Green and Brown Facets of Stimulus Bills - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

One man's pork is another man's house payment. But whether the pork is bacon or tenderloin, the bottom line is somebody gets a job preparing it. In short, if it produces or protects jobs, the money is doing what it is intended to do.

Do yourself a favor, read the bill, not the filters, then THINK!
I was confused. I thought the intention was sustainable jobs. Now it all makes sense.
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