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Old 02-25-2009, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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hahahaha... I'm not the one who called him an immigrant. But then again, anyone who looks like Bobby Jindal is an immigrant to Chris Wallace and faux news supporters, right?
Right....Faux News watchers think everyone that isn't lily white is an immigrant.
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Old 02-25-2009, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Wouldn't have been five wars, including the two we are now fighting, had Carter installed a new government in Iran like his national security advisor was practically begging him to do in 1979. Had Clinton not allowed the CIA to fall into an ineffective state with zero operatives in Afghanistan due to inadequate budgets, a 25% attrition rate and no leadership from the White House even after five successfully attacks on US interests by al Qaeda during the Clinton Presidency, the failed 9/11 plot would be a footnote in history along with the other two failed al Qaeda plots during the Clinton years.

You can go back to mindlessly blaming everything on GWB now.
Baloney! Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski pushed Carter to throw his weight behind the radical Islamic Fundamentalists, believing this would effectively deter Soviet Power, and even lead to Islamic revolutions in the Southern Soviet Republics with their large Moslem populations. The Shah whom the US had put on the throne by assassinating the democratically elected leader Mosaddeq was ill with cancer, and losing his grip on power. Brzezinski believed that supporting the Ayatollah Khomeini, the Mujahideen and any other radical Islamists in the area would wreak havoc for the Soviet Union. While some sources put the beginning of the Soviet war in Afghanistan as late as December 1979, in late April of 1978, the Marxist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) joined with the Afghan army to overthrow the government in a largely bloodless coup. PDPA leader Nur Muhammad Taraki assumed power and requested Soviet military assistance. The Soviet 40th Army entered Afghanistan and occupied Kabul in August of 1978. From the viewpoint of the Mujahideen that's when the war began, while the 1979 dates correspond to the beginning of American aid. That was at a level of $2 million/year under Carter, and continued through 1989 when the Soviet withdrawal was completed under Reagan. Aid escalated under Reagan to $1 billion.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was elated when Russia invaded Afghanistan and fell into the "Afghanistan Trap" he believed he had set. The Neoconservatives celebrated with Brzezinski in the early years of the Reagan Administration. Later both tried to blame Carter, of course.

From the Washington Post August 8, 2002:

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In 1977 Zbigniew Brzezinski, as President Carter’s National Security Adviser, forms the Nationalities Working Group (NWG) dedicated to the idea of weakening the Soviet Union by inflaming its ethnic tensions. The Islamic populations are regarded as prime targets. Richard Pipes, the father of Daniel Pipes, takes over the leadership of the NWG in 1981. Pipes predicts that with the right encouragement Soviet Muslims will “explode into genocidal fury” against Moscow. According to Richard Cottam, a former CIA official who advised the Carter administration at the time, after the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1978, Brzezinski favored a “de facto alliance with the forces of Islamic resurgence, and with the Republic of Iran.”
in Brzezinski's own words:

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html


According to this 1998 interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski, the CIA's intervention in Afghanistan preceded the 1979 Soviet invasion. This decision of the Carter Administration in 1979 to intervene and destabilise Afghanistan is the root cause of Afghanistan's destruction as a nation.

M.C.

The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser


Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998
Posted at globalresearch.ca 15 October 2001



Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/iraniraq.htm

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=zbigniew_brzezinski

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x317512

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Old 02-25-2009, 11:45 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Bobby Jindal sounded like a total "wimp" in his speech last night.

If Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are the best candidates the GOP can come up with, 2012 will be a cakewalk for the Dems !!!
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:01 PM
 
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hahahaha... I'm not the one who called him an immigrant. But then again, anyone who looks like Bobby Jindal is an immigrant to Chris Wallace and faux news supporters, right?


Chris Wallace is a Democrat...'splain that one Lucy. As usual it is your kind that are racists.

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Old 02-25-2009, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Jindal is not a qualified as David Duke. At least Duke has a bunch of dedicated followers. Duke/Palin in 2012.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:08 PM
 
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Has anyone heard Bobby speak other than this 2/24 Republican response?

Does he always talk this way?

He is direct but low key and soft spoken. It is his message of conservatism and common sense approach that makes him popular in Louisiana, not oratory skills. We will see how far oratory skills alone carry someone. Bobby Jindal is a Rhodes Scholar and very capable, but he is not being groomed to run in 2012.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:11 PM
 
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Right....Faux News watchers think everyone that isn't lily white is an immigrant.
Is "lily white" something like "tar black"?
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Great Stuff! But WAY off topic!
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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It would be smart to keep such BS to yourself, instead of announcing it in a place that has engineers around. Unless you believe that saying it five times will make it so...
And where is the contradictory evidence to what I have stated? Unlike most people on this forum I am constantly in an environment to observe such things. Instead of calling me a liar why don't you just make me a liar... go ahead, give it your best shot.
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Old 02-25-2009, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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A major eruption of Mt Rainier isn't going to kill only 57 people next time, unless there's LOTS of monitoring and warnings.

Wait 'til Yellowstone blows. Hold on to you hats...and everything else.
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