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Old 03-02-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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Just wait.
Now THIS is all republican's arguments in a nutshell. There is absolutely nothing they can now so they have to fabricate stories about the future. And somehow thats comparable to criticizing Bush's past to them
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Near as I can tell, the Conservapublicans just wanted to keep the status quo ... tax cuts for the wealthy, but I never heard them say that. While I'm not opposed to those per se, well ... doing that for the past 8 years HAS NOT WORKED and the Democrats have only had a majority since 06.

But what they are doing is rolling the economic dice ... and it's about as big of gamble as Papa Smurf took when he took on Caribou Barbie to be his President of the Senate.

They are going to fail.
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:36 AM
 
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Near as I can tell, the Conservapublicans just wanted to keep the status quo ... tax cuts for the wealthy, but I never heard them say that. While I'm not opposed to those per se, well ... doing that for the past 8 years HAS NOT WORKED and the Democrats have only had a majority since 06.

But what they are doing is rolling the economic dice ... and it's about as big of gamble as Papa Smurf took when he took on Caribou Barbie to be his President of the Senate.

They are going to fail.
Actually its not as big a gamble as you think. What other option do they have? Cooperate, and you won't get credit by the voters. Stand opposed and when if the plan doesn't work soon enough, the Democrats pay for it in 2010.
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Old 03-06-2009, 09:06 PM
 
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Actually its not as big a gamble as you think. What other option do they have? Cooperate, and you won't get credit by the voters. Stand opposed and when if the plan doesn't work soon enough, the Democrats pay for it in 2010.
True. Their best bet is to assure gridlock until the mid-terms. If they can do that, they may be able to stymie enough of Obama's initiatives to keep the economy in the crapper, which may regain them some seats. Not much else they can do since they have nothing - and no one - meaningful to offer.
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Old 03-07-2009, 05:43 AM
 
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A wee bit of house cleaning.

neil0311:

"OK...and the bright ideas from Democrats come down to their playbook of a few cliches, most of which rely on class warfare or giving away free stuff to the masses."

Free stuff? Seems like the only folks getting free stuff is Wall Street, which brings me to,


southward bound:

"(btw, they're not 'socialist leaning'. They ARE socialist.)"

Socialist don't rescue capitalist, the do away with them. And finally,

fopt65


"Sort of like the Democratic version of: Bush did it"

We didn't make that up, Bush did indeed "did it"











I haven't heard that objection.
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Old 03-07-2009, 05:20 PM
 
Location: a nation with hope
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[quote=ovcatto;7774104]A wee bit of house cleaning.

southward bound:

"(btw, they're not 'socialist leaning'. They ARE socialist.)"

Socialist don't rescue capitalist, the do away with them.




Indeed. That is exactly what they are doing, one step at a time.
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Old 03-07-2009, 05:33 PM
 
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True. Their best bet is to assure gridlock until the mid-terms. If they can do that, they may be able to stymie enough of Obama's initiatives to keep the economy in the crapper, which may regain them some seats. Not much else they can do since they have nothing - and no one - meaningful to offer.
Actually Obama has enough votes to pass what he wants without the Reps, but he wants their vote so when it fails he can say they were on board as well. Thus far I haven't seen Obama not get anything that he wants, so if this fails it will all be his baby.
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Old 03-07-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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Offering anything other than:

The stim is bad
Obama is a socialist


Seriously, between exploiting 13 year olds at CPAC and having the George Hamilton of Congress sprewing this that and the other thing ... what concrete alternatives have they offered up?

I haven't heard any. All they do is sully for the talking point of the day. Last week it was debt for our grandkids ... what will it be this week. Methinks it's going to be more S-bombs (as outlined in the NYT over the weekend).

So more Government, higher deficits, higher debts, higher taxes, Government run Healthcare, more unions and higher energy prices are the solution to our problems?
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Old 03-07-2009, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Mount Dora, FL
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Republicans are hoping dearly that this stimulus package the dem's have authored fails and fails miserably so then they can use that as political cover in hopes to convince the American people to follow the lead of the GOP again but need I remind anyone of the train wreck that was GWB and the GOP for nearly 8 years. It's gonna be decades before the GOP sees the white house again....They have some serious issues & no clear leader....ohhh wait sure they do....Rush Limbaugh
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Old 03-07-2009, 08:54 PM
 
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Republicans are hoping dearly that this stimulus package the dem's have authored fails and fails miserably so then they can use that as political cover in hopes to convince the American people to follow the lead of the GOP again but need I remind anyone of the train wreck that was GWB and the GOP for nearly 8 years. It's gonna be decades before the GOP sees the white house again....They have some serious issues & no clear leader....ohhh wait sure they do....Rush Limbaugh
The stimulus will fail.

The bank rescue plan is tough. To stimulate the general Economy, Obama should do the opposite of what he is doing. He should cut wasteful spending, eliminate taxes on capital gains and dividends, and lower the corporate tax rate. If spending is cut enough, they can lower individual rates. Cutting corporate taxes (including taxes on small businesses) will boost hiring. Stock market appreciation will take place if the risk of investing is lowered (through lower cap gains and dividends tax). Communist Chine has lower corporate taxes than the US as well as NO tax on capital gains and dividends. If we eliminated cap gains and dividends taxes, the markets would take off!

I don't see why people support higher taxes on anyone. The Government spends so much money wastefully. People work hard for their money and they should keep as much of it as possible.

Michael Boskin Says Barack Obama Is Moving Us Toward a European-Style Social Welfare State and Long-Run Economic Stagnation - WSJ.com
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