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Old 03-11-2009, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Way on the outskirts of LA LA land.
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Earmarks are not an evil thing created by Obama...and used, as you say by Republlicans, too!

Earmarks are part of most legislation...they HAVE to be . If every single request was a bill on it's own government would shut down, be bogged down. That's why Obama doesn't want to eliminate them , just, very wisely, evaluate and control them. Nothing wrong with that.


The rest of the OP was great! Go Obama!!!!!
The earmarks in the bill are essentially proportional to the political parties in Congress: about 60% Democrat, and about 40% Republican. They all contributed plenty of excess to this bill.

Doesn't Obama know that he can Veto the bill? If it's "imperfect," then I believe he has that obligation.

As for earmarks being part of most legislation, no, they don't "HAVE to be." The "government" has stuck its nose into everyone's business, where it has no business being. We don't need thousands of new earmarks to create an even larger, more bloated government. What we need is a government that is very limited in its scope and responsibility. The American people are able to self-govern if they are permitted to do so.

There are way too many people in prominent political positions that want to believe otherwise. As a consequence, the Federal government has grown to become a massive money-grubbing bureaucratic machine that keeps consuming more and more of our freedoms on a daily basis. In order to perpetuate its existence, it requires more and more funding in the form of our tax dollars. As more tax dollars are collected, the government has to grow in order to handle the added burden of collecting and distributing those tax dollars, and the cycle just starts over again.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Duplicate thread. Please refer to the other earmark thread.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:25 AM
 
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They were talking about his today and said that he is not eliminating the earmarks because he wants things pushed through that he needs them for! so in essence he does not want to pi*s them off.
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Old 03-12-2009, 01:03 AM
 
Location: DFW Texas
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They were talking about his today and said that he is not eliminating the earmarks because he wants things pushed through that he needs them for! so in essence he does not want to pi*s them off.

LOL He doesnt want to pi$$ off the Congress, but nevermind the people that voted for him and the congress.
Whats he gonna do when the voting public has had enough of the present congress and we vote all new ones in?
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:00 AM
 
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Business as usual, more of the same old same old. But at least we can agree that its a problem both parties are responsible for. But Obama seems to be trying feverishly to outdo Bush in the "spend and destroy" department.
If Bush and Obama haven't made it perfectly clear we need a third party president and need to clean up both the republican and democrat parties and oust their current leadership this country is beyond hope.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:55 AM
 
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They were talking about his today and said that he is not eliminating the earmarks because he wants things pushed through that he needs them for! so in essence he does not want to pi*s them off.
Yep

28 of the 35 who voted against the Omnibus Budget... Recognize anyone?

Barrasso (4 earmarks, $2.7 million)
Bayh (4 earmarks, $1.2 million)
Bennett (23 earmarks, $18 million)
Brownback (21 earmaks, $12 million)
Bunning (5 earmarks, $735,000)
Burr (3 earmarks, $1.3 million)
Chambliss (7 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Collins (1 earmark, $380,000)
Corker (1 earmark, $760,000)
Cornyn (5 earmarks, $2.5 million)
Crapo (1 earmark, $100,000)
Enzi (5 earmarks, $1.7 million)
Graham (14 earmarks, $9.5 million)
Grassley (8 earmarks, $350,000)
Gregg (19 earmarks, $10 million)
Hatch (7 earmarks, $700,000)
Hutchison (35 earmarks, $9.9 million)
Inhofe (34 earmarks, $53 million)
Isakson (2 earmarks, $1.4 million)
Kyl (3 earmarks, $5 million)
Lugar (10 earmarks, $3.3 million)
Martinez (8 earmarks, $18.8 million)
McConnell (36 earmarks, $51 million)
Roberts (11 earmarks, $2.2 million)
Sessions (12 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Thune (6 earmarks, $4.3 million)
Vitter (16 earmarks, $4 million)
Voinovich (6 earmarks, $13.5 million)
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:08 AM
 
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Exactly..............And Mr. Obama followed right behind. So much for not going to be like the Bush Administration!!!
And he lives in the White House, holds press conferences, and signs bills! All things that Bush did! There is no change at all...this Obama is just a copycat...right???
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:21 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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(CNN) -- President Obama on Wednesday will talk about new guidelines aimed at cutting down the number of earmarks in appropriations legislation, one day after the Senate passed a spending bill with nearly 9,000 earmarks, his administration said.

Some lawmakers have urged Obama to veto the $410 billion omnibus spending bill -- saying it goes against the president's campaign pledge to bring an end to wasteful spending.-------------------

Obama may sign the bill into law behind closed doors rather than make a public show of it, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.


Obama to lay out guidelines to overhaul earmarks - CNN.com

So now signing behind closed doors to hide from the fact that he again broke a campaign promiss and to sneak out after getting all the pork on our plate! What a disappointment this man is...more than I ever could have imagined!!!

I imagine that you imagined him to be just awful. And you still wish we had Bush. It's been a tough four months for you.

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Old 03-12-2009, 05:38 AM
 
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First of all, this is Bush's final budget.
It was supposed to be funding for FY09; obviously it's not yet passed.
It was supposed to be passed last summer so that agencies would not be running on continuing resolutions that fund them at prior year levels.
What this means is that there is no funding to purchase safety equipment and clothing for soldiers, that agencies cannot meet the requirements of their mission. This would also include no funding for tanks and munitions as required.

Apparently, many of you have no idea how the federal budget process works.
Here's a few links that you can peruse to educate yourself:

Introduction to the Federal Budget Process, Revised 12/3/07
Federal Budget Process
http://www.communitiescommittee.org/pdfs/fed_budget.pdf
http://budget.house.gov/crs-reports/98-721.pdf (broken link)

The FY10 budget is Obama's first budget.

You're blaming Obama for Bush's budget.
Nice.
i think that liberals are getting concerned that obama's budget does not have enough in the way of actual jobs, with too much borrowing attached, so they are trying to turn it into bush's budget. bush is gone and obama is at the helm. evidently you have no idea that a president can line item veto a budget so if he accepts the whole budget it becomes his budget. obama was part of the previous congress and it should also be noted that some of those porky part earmarks previously had obama's name on them as a senator ....
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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LOL He doesnt want to pi$$ off the Congress, but nevermind the people that voted for him and the congress.
Whats he gonna do when the voting public has had enough of the present congress and we vote all new ones in?
You hit the nail on the head. Nobody in DC is listening to the people or care what we want. That goes for bot Democrats and Republicans. We are creeping into the realm of taxation without representation. Time for another revolution.
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