U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-13-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,526 posts, read 11,376,820 times
Reputation: 2634

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by TRUEGRITT View Post
There are some on here who will refuse to see it. When it comes to Obama...they are myopic.
Numbers don't lie.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-13-2009, 05:25 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,526 posts, read 11,376,820 times
Reputation: 2634
Quote:
Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
That's a bit inflated, I think.

According to an report in the Wall Street Journal today by Douglas E. Schoen and Scott Rasmussen:

"Polling data show that Mr. Obama's approval rating is dropping and is below where George W. Bush was in an analogous period in 2001"

"Overall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance. This is a substantial degree of polarization so early in the administration. Mr. Obama has lost virtually all of his Republican support and a good part of his Independent support, and the trend is decidedly negative."
Why would Gallup be the one that's inflated? Maybe Rasmussen is deflated.

Rasmussen conducts their results in a totally different way from every other poll does. They count is as Strongly Approve v. Strongly Disapprove with 2 other levels in the middle. Gallup is much more straightforward Yes/No/No Opinion.

Anyway, if you wish, take the average of all polls out there, and it's still at 60.8%. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/#rcp-avg-904

Interesting chart on Rasmussen:

Last edited by newtoli; 03-13-2009 at 05:42 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-13-2009, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Washington state
7,187 posts, read 5,654,064 times
Reputation: 1854
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRUEGRITT View Post
There are some on here who will refuse to see it. When it comes to Obama...they are myopic.

You could say the same thing for the Obama haters...heck, you guys have been all over the lot..first, Rev Wright was going to take him down.. then, he wasn't even eligible to be POTUS... next, Sarah Palin was going to save the right wing's bacon..all of which have been proven wrong. And now, the honeymoon's over.

Get used to it...our fine new young president is here to stay...he knows what he's doing and the public loves him.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-13-2009, 05:29 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
4,381 posts, read 2,280,747 times
Reputation: 727
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtoli View Post
Numbers don't lie.
If numbers don't lie then here is the truth.

Overall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-13-2009, 05:35 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,526 posts, read 11,376,820 times
Reputation: 2634
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRUEGRITT View Post
If numbers don't lie then here is the truth.

Overall, Rasmussen Reports shows a 56%-43% approval, with a third strongly disapproving of the president's performance.
Ah, but you can't take from just one set of numbers (that are calculated in an entirely different manner from other polls) and call that the Truth. I could, in turn, say Gallup is "The Truth" with 62%/27%. What makes Rasmussen the truth vs. Gallup? I'd love an answer.

Read the way Rasmussen calculates their approval ratings, they were very off on Bush as well (see graph) due to the way they calculate their numbers. It's not a simple approve or disapprove rating with their poll.

Take an average of all polls and you get 60.8% vs. 30.2%, and that includes Rasmussen. Take a look at how their disapprove number is very skewed compared to the rest. The next highest disapprove rating at RCP is a 29%. Why would there be such a large spread from Rasmussen v. other polls?

Is Rasmussen the only one that's right because they're telling you what you want to hear? Or wouldn't it make more sense that the other polls with similar trends would be correct. Simple statistics.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-13-2009, 06:55 PM
 
404 posts, read 349,326 times
Reputation: 110
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtoli View Post
Yes, the owner of a poll site. Your point?

Twice as many people approve than disapprove.
Twice as many so very mislead
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-14-2009, 09:32 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,526 posts, read 11,376,820 times
Reputation: 2634
Quote:
Originally Posted by CTYankee69 View Post
Twice as many so very mislead
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/#rcp-avg-904

30% Disapprove
60% Approve

30 x 2 = 60.

Twice as many people approve.

So explain to me how that is misleading. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-14-2009, 09:37 AM
 
Location: The Heartland
4,381 posts, read 2,280,747 times
Reputation: 727
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtoli View Post
RealClearPolitics - RealClearPolitics Poll Averages

30% Disapprove
60% Approve

30 x 2 = 60.

Twice as many people approve.

So explain to me how that is misleading. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
CTYankee69 said "Twice as many so very mislead" not misleading, mislead.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-14-2009, 12:26 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
10,526 posts, read 11,376,820 times
Reputation: 2634
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRUEGRITT View Post
CTYankee69 said "Twice as many so very mislead" not misleading, mislead.
That would be misled, hence the confusion.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-14-2009, 12:31 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
4,381 posts, read 2,280,747 times
Reputation: 727
Quote:
Originally Posted by newtoli View Post
That would be misled, hence the confusion.
I agree...you are confused.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $89,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Elections

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2014, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 - Top