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Old 03-28-2009, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Why do you guys insist on fabricating the truth. That is not what she said..Pelosi was speaking up against the practice of raiding homes in the middle of the night and separating illegal immigrant parents from their children who were born here. You've got to come up with better material. My goodness. None of what you stated in this post is true.
Do we not raid the homes of other criminals? Do we not seperate criminals from their families when we send them to jail?
The illegal created their own misfortune by cheating the system, breaking our laws and failing to self deport. Consequences for ones actions is not an unreasonable idea. What is unreasonable is to make excuses to reward criminal behavior.
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:57 PM
 
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I guess if everything in government was big it would be bad? I dunno, you're going to have to be way more specific as to which government organizations being big is bad. It's not as black and white as your slanted OP makes it seem.

I know if I was unemployed right now I'd be pretty happy with some social services while things recover.
Big Government has nothing to do with issuing you an unemployment check.

The "people" have to hold Congress' feet to the fire. Not Congress setting fire to our way of life.

If I came to you house to collect five dollars, and you gave it to me, and I spent it on something abhorent, wouldn't you be p#ssed?

Try that times a trillion.

This administration is going to waste all of your money. Your kid's money. Your grandchildren's money. And your great grandchildren's money.

Are you happy with American Socialism now?

Barack went from promising deficite reduction to "investing" over a trillion dollars per year ... for ten years.

Big government is bad, please understand that, it costs you and me a ton of money, and it is mostly wasted.
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:19 AM
 
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So is a massive military big government or not? Are you for or against that?

Define which parts of the government are big instead of using vague idealism and we can have a discussion.

Like for instance in my book big government is bad when there are illegal wiretaps flying around.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:28 PM
 
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So is a massive military big government or not? Are you for or against that?

Define which parts of the government are big instead of using vague idealism and we can have a discussion.

Like for instance in my book big government is bad when there are illegal wiretaps flying around.
Big government is bad when they start controlling corporations.

Big government is bad when they allow illegal imigrants to hold jobs over Real Americans.

Big government is bad when DC officials continually vote raises for themselves. ( and most of them don't pay taxes until their caught )

Big government is bad when it decides to print trillions of dollars ( in the US printing press ) at the expense of your great grandchildren.

Big government is bad when it decides to tax the hell out of you & me ... for the sake of Nancy Pelosi's whims.

The military matters. Taxpayer funds for abortions and federal or state funded health care for partners of gay teachers ( at taxpayer's expense ) doesn't matter. Just another example of Big Government.

It is a waste of money. Paying Congressman to be in office, knowing that they will waste more money, is idiotic.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:38 PM
 
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People that believe in big government believe that what they can't accomplish personally in their life they can politically by sharing others wealth. Basic liberal thought.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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So is a massive military big government or not? Are you for or against that?
Government is here to provide for those things that cannot be practically or realistically provided by individuals. The classic examples of these are the military and national defense, police, fire, roads. Those things are not "Big Government" but just the necessary government.

"Big Government" is when the government taxes too much to do things that it was never intended to do, or starts to control the lives and actions of citizens beyond what's prescribed in the Constitution. I can't feasibly provide my own army or police force, but I can buy my own health insurance.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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Government is here to provide for those things that cannot be practically or realistically provided by individuals. The classic examples of these are the military and national defense, police, fire, roads. Those things are not "Big Government" but just the necessary government.

"Big Government" is when the government taxes too much to do things that it was never intended to do, or starts to control the lives and actions of citizens beyond what's prescribed in the Constitution. I can't feasibly provide my own army or police force, but I can buy my own health insurance.
A gigantic army matters in your mind per missions YOU have described. YOU feel the military matters enough to involve government interference. I disagree, but apparently people that are for "small government" are only for "small government" under specific cases. Oh well, enjoy the benefits of socialism.
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Old 04-09-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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Young American's who are in favor of, and who would actually vote for a Socialistic society, are an embarassment to this country. They all grew up with the mantra of "Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee". Once under Socialist rule, there is NO turning back.

No Socialist country has ever been successful. Ever.

The pattern of more spending and more social programs in this country has gotten way out of control. To cut military spending ( in areas of importance ) and waste money on a study of pig odor in Iowa is, well, stupid.

To encourage an escalation in the flood of Mexicans entering the U.S. by suddenly declaring 12,000,000 illegal aliens citizens ( another dumb idea being thrown around Barack's office ) while Americans are in need of jobs, is, well, stupid.

After 4 years of Democratic folly, America will hardly be recognizable. Republicans will have to drag the U.S. out of the rubble and the falsehood that progressives have deemed as global holiness. Or rather the ( Democratic ) philosophy that enrapturing Cubans, Mexicans, Islamic terrorists, etc. and bending down in invitation to be taken over, at least in the beginning, by a new form of government, in European fashion, and later by a newer generational attitude of governmental reliance ( instead of self reliance ) would cripple us all.

The United States will go down the toilet with today's leaders. Young Americans don't care. They have been spoon fed liberal propaganda their entire lives. It is OK to do good things. But, it is not OK to spend exhaustable money on every little project involving sea kittens and the like. The current big governmental trend is a real threat to our freedom.
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Old 04-09-2009, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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A gigantic army matters in your mind per missions YOU have described. YOU feel the military matters enough to involve government interference.
WTF are you talking about? A nation needs a military force for its defense. Indiviuals are not able to provide for that individually, and so it's a legitimate function of a national government. I don't think any rational person on the left, right, or center would disagree with that statement. Now if you're discussing policy decisions on how to use that military, then that's a political discussion, but that doesn't change the fundamental requirement for a military that's provided by a national government.

Honestly, if you can't see and agree with that point, then you're off some deep end from where there is no return.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:56 AM
 
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WTF are you talking about? A nation needs a military force for its defense. Indiviuals are not able to provide for that individually, and so it's a legitimate function of a national government. I don't think any rational person on the left, right, or center would disagree with that statement. Now if you're discussing policy decisions on how to use that military, then that's a political discussion, but that doesn't change the fundamental requirement for a military that's provided by a national government.

Honestly, if you can't see and agree with that point, then you're off some deep end from where there is no return.
No, I'm pointing out that you're in favor of big government under certain circumstances, such as the military. Just admit that so we can move on. As a note I don't see why we couldn't have a private military. We already have Blackwater, etc. Saying I'm off the deep end is an insult used to nullify my point, so whatever, if you want to ignore facts you're welcome to though.

As a note, we're arguing the same thing. Big government sometimes is the solution, hell Reagan would agree. Otherwise why the hell did he pump so much god damn money into the military???

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Young American's who are in favor of, and who would actually vote for a Socialistic society, are an embarassment to this country. They all grew up with the mantra of "Gimmee, Gimmee, Gimmee". Once under Socialist rule, there is NO turning back.
So I guess you're anti military since it's a socialist endeavor then?

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