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Old 04-10-2009, 05:30 PM
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Stevens was cleared on a technicality, not because he was innocent.

Also, it took a Democrat to recognize that the law had not been followed during Steven's trial.

Coleman is ruining whatever might have been left of his political career because he is not man enough to concede and he is taking Pawlenty down with him.
So true.
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Old 04-11-2009, 05:04 AM
 
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Doesnt the GOP realize what they are doing by acting this way by preventing the confirmation of Al Franken?

They have proved to be nothing more than obstructionists since President Obama moved into the White House, and like they have already done in the 2000 Presidential election, they are trying to find an avenue to usurp the VOICE of the American people.

More and more Americans are realizing this everyday. True conservatives, take back your party from the lunatic fringe before its too late.
I'm afraid it is 'already too late'...

The Republican party IS the lunatic fringe...
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:04 AM
 
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The conservative actually never had a president elcted in the repoublican party. Goldwater was the only real conservative and he loss. Reagan was middle of the road for republicans ;witness his statement in his diary that goldwater republican gave him more problems than the democrats.One win and the democrats think they are permanent residence of the whitehouse;typical delussional thinking.
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Old 04-12-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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I don't think Dems have a strong hold on the White House at all. The electoral college (which we all agree is how the game is played) strongly favors Republicans at the moment. However- Democrats have had the higher popular vote total in 4 of the last 5 elections. So its a tit for tat type of thing, especially when you look at how close Bush 1 was to being re-elected even with a lower popular vote total.

That said- for all practical purposes this present issue is the national GOP making one last stand at the expense of MN. I think any national ambition Pawlenty has is gone at the moment because sitting a Senator this late has cost them every decent committe membership. They will be 100th in Seniority and more problematically locked out of any of the decent committees. Even if the winner can get a couple of better slots in the next Congress they will start each of those committess on the same day as the new Senators from the 2010 elections. Fortunately MN is not a small state so their Congressmen can help some but they are still down a man in the Senate.

This whole sordid tale has actually doen something for Franken he could not do for himself and that is make him look like a statesman instead of a quasi-successful comic. So the Rs are losing all around. Had Coleman been seated a while back he would have been a punchline now he is the poor guy who had to wait over half a year for his seat.

Lookind at the recent statewide results in Minnesta I think this is a big problem for Republicans. Democrats did not start winning again til they returned to a competitive footing in the South. The Republicans seem hell bent on pissing away the upper mid-west where they need support to offset losses in New England.
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Old 04-12-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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I don't think Dems have a strong hold on the White House at all. The electoral college (which we all agree is how the game is played) strongly favors Republicans at the moment.
Obviously you're joking - right???

The GOP lost by a good margin in 2008...

They DO NOT have an advantage in the electoral college... Just wait until the 2010 Census and redistricting occurs - you'll see just how badly off the GOP really is!!!

This Coleman situation is going to blow up in the GOP's face - I have no doubt about it - it will just take time - but you know what they say - Revenge is SWEET!!!

But, dream on if you want...!!!
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Old 04-12-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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The conservative actually never had a president elcted in the repoublican party. Goldwater was the only real conservative and he loss. Reagan was middle of the road for republicans ;witness his statement in his diary that goldwater republican gave him more problems than the democrats.One win and the democrats think they are permanent residence of the whitehouse;typical delussional thinking.

Barry Goldwater became a liberal before his death, and expressed remorse
at having been so intolerant and strident as a conservative. He had, I believe, a gay grandson, and that caused him to rethink his beliefs.
William F. Buckeley was arrested on his yacht for possession of cannabis.
Charles Krauthammer is a Canadian by birth.
Christopher Hitchens is British by birth.
Is there a dearth of thinkers among American conservatives?
William Kristol, John Yoo and Elliot Abrams don't count as "thinkers," as they were among the architects of our misguided "Democracy in the Middle East" policy.
Norm Coleman has lost the election and should graciously concede that point. The Republicans have no leader to suggest that to him.
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:00 PM
 
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Norm Coleman has lost the election and should graciously concede that point. The Republicans have no leader to suggest that to him.

YouTube - Mr. Conservative: Goldwater On Goldwater

I think that if it was the other way around and franken was the one going to court, I dont think democrtats would be telling him to concede the election. they would be donating money for him to go another round in court.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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True conservatives, take back your party from the lunatic fringe before its too late.
It's already too late. Things have been going downhill since the Reagan years.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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I think that if it was the other way around and franken was the one going to court, I dont think democrtats would be telling him to concede the election. they would be donating money for him to go another round in court.
That's true. However, the GOP does not want a filibuster-proof Democratic
majority. Legal analysts see little chance of either the Minnesota Supreme
Court or the SCOTUS overturning the ruling that stands now; the GOP and
Coleman know that. By continuing to hold Minnesotans hostage and without
representation, Coleman and the GOP just might be ensuring that Minnesota
will be a blue state for some time.
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Old 04-18-2009, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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That's true. However, the GOP does not want a filibuster-proof Democratic
majority. Legal analysts see little chance of either the Minnesota Supreme
Court or the SCOTUS overturning the ruling that stands now; the GOP and
Coleman know that. By continuing to hold Minnesotans hostage and without
representation, Coleman and the GOP just might be ensuring that Minnesota
will be a blue state for some time.
What the GOP is doing is forcing MN into taxation without representation. Is that the patriotism of the GOP?
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