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Old 04-10-2009, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Texas...and proud of it.
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Originally Posted by Rita Mordio View Post
As I see it, several sources have validated the birth certificate that Obama presented. My personal opinion is that Orly is actually doing a disservice to her country with this fiasco. Why? At this stage in the game, what is the point in trying to prove our President to be ineligible? What will it prove? Does she even realize the implications of removing our President from Office in these economic times?

From the get-go, I never truly cared whether Obama's birth certificate was true or false. To me, it didn't matter. No, I didn't vote for him, nor did I vote for McCain. However, I saw a person, a man, who was capable of bringing together people of different generations, of different colors, of different backgrounds - he brought this nation together at a time when it needed it the most. So, his birth certificate could have been bought off of eBay for all I care.

And in closing to my rant: If by some freakish crazy event the Birth Certificate was found to be falsified - what then?

You still don't get it.

 
Old 04-10-2009, 09:39 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Obama preached "Change" and an open Government, having someone claimed to have seen it is alot different than showing it. When I enlisted in the military, I had to produce it and a copy was put into my file.

Going for the highest office in the land shouldn't be any different, we hired him, he needs to prove to us that he is able to do the job and meet the requirements.
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For me it is about a nation of laws and the constitution. If he is not eligible then our laws have been broken, and if our laws can be broken by simply ignoring them what else can happen to this country? Fixing a potential problem now would be better for all of us in the long run even though it may sting now.

I have also read from several forensic experts (one which no one has discredited) that the presented copy of Obama's BC cannot be relied upon as authentic and it has to be compared to the original.

I also think that if this copy can be seen why can't another be overnighted from Dr. Fukino in Hawaii to the congress to be viewed.

I also do not understand why he will not let the original be seen, especially if it would clear this matter up.

On the "what then" question, my understanding is he would be removed from office and the VP would take over until a qualified person can be placed back into the presidency.
I wasn't going to get involved in this thread again, but I'll say this: no other presidential candidate has had to produce a copy of his/her birth certificate. That is reason enough to take Obama's word, and the overwhelming preponderance of evidence, that he was born in Hawaii. In regard to having to produce a copy, a lot of the birthers say that's not good enough. They want the "vault" copy.
 
Old 04-11-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Here is more on the Kentucky SOS asking the AG to investigate Obama's eligibility.

"If a formal investigation actually is begun it apparently would be the first time the many lawsuit plaintiffs across the country would see a door opening to some answers about the murky circumstances surrounding Obama's eligibility to be president.

Among the typical responses to eligibility challenges WND has reported was a federal judge's dismissal of a case because the issue already had been "twittered."



Further, lawyers hired to defend against such cases also have begun threatening sanctions against plaintiffs' lawyers unless they agree voluntarily to leave the issue of eligibility unquestioned."
 
Old 04-11-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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On the "what then" question, my understanding is he would be removed from office and the VP would take over until a qualified person can be placed back into the presidency.
So, then, if we cut to the chase, what you really want to do is see President Obama removed from office, and you see no other way that this can happen. You don't care about the laws of the land except in a perverse sort of way that they might be twisted to give you the results you want.

Why do you wish to see him removed when he was duly elected by a majority of the citizens of America? Do you have a personal problem with him?
 
Old 04-11-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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So, then, if we cut to the chase, what you really want to do is see President Obama removed from office, and you see no other way that this can happen. You don't care about the laws of the land except in a perverse sort of way that they might be twisted to give you the results you want.

Why do you wish to see him removed when he was duly elected by a majority of the citizens of America? Do you have a personal problem with him?

You obviously know nothing about me. I have said over and over that what I want is for his records to be investigated and whatever comes of that is fine with me. If he is eligible, fine, if not, fix it.

I will also be happy with impending bills in five states that will force all candidates to prove their eligibility, it is insanity not to. Oklahoma is going to make candidates direct mail their BC to their election board so no one in between the birth state, and them can, shall we say, alter them in any way as has been stated by forensic document specialists has happened to Obama's BC.

The people of CA and IA voted against "gay marriage" and their SC's overturned them citing constitutionality, so why not Obama?
 
Old 04-11-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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Here is more on the Kentucky SOS asking the AG to investigate Obama's eligibility.

"If a formal investigation actually is begun it apparently would be the first time the many lawsuit plaintiffs across the country would see a door opening to some answers about the murky circumstances surrounding Obama's eligibility to be president.

Among the typical responses to eligibility challenges WND has reported was a federal judge's dismissal of a case because the issue already had been "twittered."



Further, lawyers hired to defend against such cases also have begun threatening sanctions against plaintiffs' lawyers unless they agree voluntarily to leave the issue of eligibility unquestioned."

Here is what Kentuck SOS really said .
Earlier today , our office received the visiters on the attached list. they presented information to our office concerning questions about President Barack Obama's eligibility to be on the ballot in Kentucky. Because our office does not have investigative powers, we could not be of assistance to these individuals,therefore we are referring the matter to your office.

Sounds like to me they are just passing the buck, and nothing will ever become of this.
 
Old 04-11-2009, 02:38 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Here is what Kentuck SOS really said .
Earlier today , our office received the visiters on the attached list. they presented information to our office concerning questions about President Barack Obama's eligibility to be on the ballot in Kentucky. Because our office does not have investigative powers, we could not be of assistance to these individuals,therefore we are referring the matter to your office.

Sounds like to me they are just passing the buck, and nothing will ever become of this.
Maybe, but maybe the AG (the referee) will do something because he does have the investigative powers and the evidence presented warrants it.
 
Old 04-11-2009, 02:57 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Jury Update: American Grand Jury to Hear Evidence Soon

This is the online Grand Jury that is still taking applications for alternates and they want to make clear that "we are not here to threaten any court, prosecutor or jurisdiction. That is illegal and we are not interested in things that are illegal."

They are expected to convene before the end of April.
 
Old 04-11-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Interior alaska
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Originally Posted by cuebald View Post
So, then, if we cut to the chase, what you really want to do is see President Obama removed from office, and you see no other way that this can happen. You don't care about the laws of the land except in a perverse sort of way that they might be twisted to give you the results you want.

Why do you wish to see him removed when he was duly elected by a majority of the citizens of America? Do you have a personal problem with him?
I want him removed from office by the voters in the next presidential election. That is what the "Norm" is for those that don't like his policies.

If he is not qualified to be president by the regulations outlining them, he should be removed. If he meets them, then that is the end of it, and to date nobody has proved beyond a doubt that he is a "legal" born American in the United States.

Producing a valid birth certificate from a guy that has an American Mother and a foreign born father isn't a big stretch to ask him to prove he was born as an American Citizen as the Law clearly states. All other presidents to date have had a very solid line to where they were born.
 
Old 04-11-2009, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I want him removed from office by the voters in the next presidential election. That is what the "Norm" is for those that don't like his policies.

If he is not qualified to be president by the regulations outlining them, he should be removed. If he meets them, then that is the end of it, and to date nobody has proved beyond a doubt that he is a "legal" born American in the United States.

Producing a valid birth certificate from a guy that has an American Mother and a foreign born father isn't a big stretch to ask him to prove he was born as an American Citizen as the Law clearly states. All other presidents to date have had a very solid line to where they were born.

300 million people in America seem to think President Obama is legal. They could be wrong. Go find the smoking gun and prove he is not.

The burden of proof is on the accuser.
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