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Old 05-09-2009, 06:02 PM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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The act of supporting abortion is as much of a mortal sin as having one. They also support contraception, gay marriages, and a whole slew of issues that spit in the face of the religion they claim to follow.

Edit-And God's moral law should transcend any huma court or law or opinion, if you were truly Catholic. This seperation of Church and State as an excuse to support certain positions is phony at best if you claim to be a Christian.
Good posting.
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Old 05-09-2009, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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I will just use the Kennedy family as an example, they are supposedly devout Catholics, yet they "are" the Democratic party. I don't understand how you can pick and choose what parts of religious doctrine you will follow and which you will reject.
Many Catholics who are pro-choice are worried about eating meat on Fridays during Lent, just don't get the disconnect.
That is not the Church's fault and just because they claim to be Catholic doesn't mean they represent Catholics.
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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That is not the Church's fault and just because they claim to be Catholic doesn't mean they represent Catholics.
I guess I am wondering - where is the personal responsibility?
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Old 05-12-2009, 05:18 AM
 
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The majority of Catholics in the US are of Italian and Irish ancestry. This 2 groups have historically settled in the NE coast, which usually are Democratic leaning.
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Old 05-12-2009, 05:32 AM
 
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But none of the Catholic democrats (or any democrat) seem to be very religious. Im sure there are a lot of intelligent Catholics who choose a career that doesn't involve lying/cheating/stealing.

And I guess I'm a "cafeteria Catholic" but I rather be partly involved in the Catholic Church than fully involved in another one. It just seems so much more legitimate. And even though I've never been, I support Confession. (My family never really took me to church, i usually went with my Grandma randomly and starting a couple years ago Christmas/Easter, so I never got to do communion/confermation but i one day plan to).
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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The majority of Catholics in the US are of Italian and Irish ancestry. This 2 groups have historically settled in the NE coast, which usually are Democratic leaning.
Many Catholics in this part of the US (Mountain West/Southwest) are Hispanic. Also, many German ancestry people are Catholic, esp. in St. Louis, which is the midwest. The majority of Polish Americans are Catholic. In addition to the eastern US, many Poles live in the midwestern states such as Ill., Wisconsin, and Michigan. There are lots of Italian-Americans throughout the US.

Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania is a Catholic.
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Old 05-14-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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That's the one of the worst pro-choice arguments that can be made, because it lacks a total understanding of why people oppose abortion. It would the same as saying, "I am against murder and demonstrate this by not murdering anyone, but that doesn't mean I think everyone else should follow my lead and share my beliefs or that there should be any laws against murder or worst of all punishment for those who exercise the freedom of choice to murder."

Any salient pro-choice argument has to start with the idea that abortion isn't murder, just as any pro-life argument has to start with the idea that it is. That is where the disagreement is.
You are making assumptions. If I were a woman, I don't think I would chose to have an abortion, but not because I believe abortion is murder. It has to do with free will. I don't think a woman should be forced to bare a child just because she becomes pregnant. Child bearing should be a choice, not an obligation.
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Old 05-14-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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The act of supporting abortion is as much of a mortal sin as having one. They also support contraception, gay marriages, and a whole slew of issues that spit in the face of the religion they claim to follow.

Edit-And God's moral law should transcend any huma court or law or opinion, if you were truly Catholic. This seperation of Church and State as an excuse to support certain positions is phony at best if you claim to be a Christian.
So supporting bombing Afghanistan into the Dark Ages is the same as if you were flying the plane and dropping the bombs yourself? Weren't you the one saying Catholics shouldn't pick and choose which tenets of the faith to follow?
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Old 05-14-2009, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Romeoville, IL
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War can be legitimized based on certain factors. Even still, the Vatican does not support the war in Iraq and I believe the same is the case for Afghanistan, and I follow the Vatican.
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Conservative in Liberal California
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I will just use the Kennedy family as an example, they are supposedly devout Catholics, yet they "are" the Democratic party. I don't understand how you can pick and choose what parts of religious doctrine you will follow and which you will reject.
Many Catholics who are pro-choice are worried about eating meat on Fridays during Lent, just don't get the disconnect.
How true, how true....you articulated this so well! I agree wholeheartedly!!
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