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Old 08-02-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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When did Obama promise no new taxes? I don't remember hearing that. Do you have a quote or article link?


From the horses mouth

YouTube - Obama gives speech on Education, Alternative Energy, Tax Cuts, and the economy (Part 1 of 2)

First 25 secs should do it
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Partisanship Is An Intellectual/Emotional Handicap
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Ooops. Obama Nation takes a kick to the nuts on that one.


I can't believe anyone believed a word of not only what he said, but any of what any politician says.


I do find it funny that Republicans are so eager to scream bloody murder over this guy being 7 months in office and blaming him for all the country's ills.

That, I find hilarious.

7 months.....hahahaha....and Repubs are blaming Obama for what is essentially the last twenty years. hahahaha....

Not sure what exactly these people thought anyone could do in 7 months.

The one thing that really needs to be addressed, is putting an end to american jobs being outsourced out of the country and companies moving out of here. That has to stop. Companies that outsource american jobs to foriegn countries, should be paying a large tax. And companies that move themselves out of america, should pay a nice tariff if they want their products sold in America.

You want to see new companies start to be created and new jobs? Tax and tariff the bastards who have sold us out.

Diminish imported crap from China and create companies and jobs right here in America.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:00 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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We've been fighting two wars for years and been losing middle class jobs to foreign countries for a decade now. Taxes need to go up. Maybe then people will elect folks who will put America #1 on the list of who to look out for.

Let's see. You say we have been losing jobs for years so taxes need to go up. Don't you see the logical fallacy in that statement? Fewer jobs, less income to tax. Raise taxes? Can you say return to recession? Or are you satisfied that Obama can tell a bold faced lie and be forgiven? Where is all the furor that was exposed when Bush 41 claimed "no new taxes, read my lips"? The liberals were certainly in a hissy fit over that one, but this is okay?
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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what obama inherited from the previous president genius was a total mess , much bigger than what anybody thought.
what do you suggest he should do instead?
the war and the free reign [ fully endorsed by previous administration] of the banks and lending institutions sank this country ,
i find it so interesting how people are trying to put this on obama's clock. where was all the outrage before???
Mr. bush had eight years to fix things "his way ", i do believe "his way" is why we are in this mess.
You know, that "it's Bushs' fault" routine is getting a bit old. Did he screw up? Yes. Is Obama doing anything other than spending money we don't have to correct it? No. He just keeps trying to transfer the blame to someone else.

Get over it and work toward a fix instead of an excuse.
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Old 08-03-2009, 12:53 PM
 
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it is absolutely not a routine , it is the facts !
it truly can be put on the previous administrations shoulders , face it.
that is why i am asking , what would you do to fix this other than what obama is doing?

at least they are doing something instead of passing it on like our previous president.
you better believe the chinese loved bush , he pumped money into their country and borrowed as much as he could to finance a worthless war.

Bush surely crammed free enterprize down everybody's throat and this is where it got us. just consume, consume and everything will be all right , well now we all know this is not true.

bush handed obama a plate full of poo , and it is hard to make it look like anything other than , well poo

why in the world were all the bush lovers [ who now are very vocal against everything obama tries]
quiet while he was in power? why?
if you knew where we were heading back then , why no protests?
now to expect that obama fixes bush's problems in 6 months?
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Old 08-03-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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Oh, darn it.

White House: Middle-class taxes out
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Let's see. You say we have been losing jobs for years so taxes need to go up. Don't you see the logical fallacy in that statement? Fewer jobs, less income to tax. Raise taxes? Can you say return to recession? Or are you satisfied that Obama can tell a bold faced lie and be forgiven? Where is all the furor that was exposed when Bush 41 claimed "no new taxes, read my lips"? The liberals were certainly in a hissy fit over that one, but this is okay?
No it's not OK but at some point you have to realize we need to tax everyone more. The alternative is the hyperinflation of our currency.

We need to raise taxes and make draconian cuts in our expenses. That will help stabilize our dollar, and bring more foreign investment into the US.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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From the horses mouth
I think you mean from the mouth of the horse's a$$..!
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:25 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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it is absolutely not a routine , it is the facts !
it truly can be put on the previous administrations shoulders , face it.
that is why i am asking , what would you do to fix this other than what obama is doing?
Stop looking for ways to send more and more of our resources overseas as "aid", make that read bribes. Concentrate on actually creating more jobs rather than just rhetoric and rosy prognostications which show no sign of actually occuring. Work toward creating or retaining or recovering jobs for the legal citizens of this country.

How's that for a start?

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at least they are doing something instead of passing it on like our previous president
Outside of spending money that we don't have and trying to nationalize all private business, exactly what is being done? Obama "stupidly" sticking his nose into matters that are none of his affairs and trying to come off looking superior for it?

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you better believe the chinese loved bush , he pumped money into their country and borrowed as much as he could to finance a worthless war.
And Obama is borrowing (selling the US) to the chinese to the point that even they don't really want anymore of us.

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Bush surely crammed free enterprize down everybody's throat and this is where it got us. just consume, consume and everything will be all right , well now we all know this is not true.
Let's see. No consumption of goods equals loss of jobs, income and taxes to support the government. This would be why the CARS programs came out , right? Create spending where none was. Of course putting everyone into unwanted debt is okay. Obama says so.

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bush handed obama a plate full of poo , and it is hard to make it look like anything other than , well poo
Of course, the Democrat dominated congress had nothing to do with the situation. Still eating that Obama poo?

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why in the world were all the bush lovers [ who now are very vocal against everything obama tries]
quiet while he was in power? why?
if you knew where we were heading back then , why no protests?
now to expect that obama fixes bush's problems in 6 months?
If you listened to anything but liberal bs, you would be able to see that the "Bush lovers" were not quiet while he was in power. You might also note that your forward looking libs didn't say anything like what they are saying while trying to pass the respondsibility to someone else.

Fix it in six months? No. With the type of current programs proposed, fix it at all? Not likely.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:31 AM
 
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No it's not OK but at some point you have to realize we need to tax everyone more. The alternative is the hyperinflation of our currency.
Raising taxes while the job market (income source) is tanking will solve nothing. Taxing 100% on nothing gets you nothing.

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We need to raise taxes and make draconian cuts in our expenses. That will help stabilize our dollar, and bring more foreign investment into the US.
I agree that we need to make cuts in our expenses. How about not proposing one after the other new billion to trillion dollar programs, with no proposal of how to pay for them, until we have an income source? You know, jobs.

As for more foreign investors, we have nothing left that they do not already hold the mortgage on. We can't even get our own investors to put their money into the US due to overtaxation.
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