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11-05-2009, 12:43 AM
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Recent Election Results
The recent election results reflect, in my opinion, the disappointment of the Obama base with his performance.
Three main issues that he campaigned on: economy/jobs, national health care, global warming.
He appointed the same people to fix the economy as who ruined it in the first place. He caved to the mega corporations. There is no new legislation similar to Glass-Steagal put in place to prevent further such disasters. There is no limitation put on industry when it becomes 'to big to fail'. People are still losing jobs and no new jobs have been created. People are still losing their homes.
He recognized, during campaigning, the runaway medical costs and the healthcare caused bankruptcies in the middle class of people who have both employment and insurance. He said the entire system needed to be overhauled to protect ALL citizens and to curb runaway costs. The plans now before Congress do neither and Obama sits on his duff and does nothing.
Can we expect any better in the way he tackles the environmental problems? I think not.
The people who worked so valiantly to get this clown into office are now seeing it it just business as usual with him. It's nice that America, in the light of our history, has elected a black President, but I thought the 'change we can believe in' went deeper than skin color. I thought the guy had ideas and conviction and would do the risky thing because he knew it was right.
He is compromising this country down the tubes.
I'm glad that the Democrats did poorly in the recent elections. Maybe someone over there in Washington will wake up, take the hint. I think he will be a one term President. I also think Hillary has more nerve than he and would have shown positive results by now.
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11-05-2009, 12:51 AM
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Dream on. You can make all of the imaginary associations between Republican wins and a disappointment in Obama, but there's no tangible evidence of this. The majority in both New Jersey and Virginia still say they approve of Obama's job performance.
Your use of the phrase "this clown" makes it hard to take your analysis seriously. Just a bit biased, I think. 
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11-05-2009, 01:11 AM
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One of the things this cycle of elections shows is that the enthusiastic base which was active in 2008 is much harder to activate in off-year elections.
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11-05-2009, 02:18 AM
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Yea take that Obama!
Yesterday, prior to the elections you had 256 Democrats in the House voting for your "Socialism"...today you have 258 Democrats helping you!
The people have spoken!
[Palin/Joe the Plumber 2010]
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11-05-2009, 02:23 PM
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How about Rahm meeting with reps from the Better Business Bureau - the huge lobby for big business, behind closed doors? Is this the new transparency in government that he promised us?
The majority of people in the states where the Dems lost said they voted for the opposition because of the economy. If we don't see results soon Obama will be a one term President. All the Republicans will have to put up is someone who does not make a person retch (that is, someone we have not seen yet). Or maybe, come election time, we will be so sick of how we were mauled by the Obama crowd that Mitch or Huckleberry will start looking good?
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11-05-2009, 02:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goldengrain
How about Rahm meeting with reps from the Better Business Bureau - the huge lobby for big business, behind closed doors? Is this the new transparency in government that he promised us?
The majority of people in the states where the Dems lost said they voted for the opposition because of the economy. If we don't see results soon Obama will be a one term President. All the Republicans will have to put up is someone who does not make a person retch (that is, someone we have not seen yet). Or maybe, come election time, we will be so sick of how we were mauled by the Obama crowd that Mitch or Huckleberry will start looking good?
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If you are so concered about big corporate money influencing government please explain why the Insurance industry and drug companies are donating millions to the GOP and Conservative Blue Dog Dems to defeat health care?
The fact of the matter is that both parties are influenced by money, but the GOP much more so. They openly advocate for corporate policies that hurt middle class tax payers.
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11-05-2009, 08:45 PM
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I'm a Jersey resident, I hated Corzine but support Obama, and I know for a fact there are tens of thousands of people here that feel the same way.
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11-06-2009, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by padcrasher
If you are so concered about big corporate money influencing government please explain why the Insurance industry and drug companies are donating millions to the GOP and Conservative Blue Dog Dems to defeat health care?
The fact of the matter is that both parties are influenced by money, but the GOP much more so. They openly advocate for corporate policies that hurt middle class tax payers.
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When the mega corps started outsourcing and laying off Americans they became groups working for the downfall of the US people.
At that time both parties should have gotten together to protect the American people, but that is naively altruistic.
Even the Libertarian third party is more openly pro business than the Reps and Dems, so if the American people are really smart enough to want a change but are not aware of who is really behind the corruption of both parities, they will vote for the worst of three evils, Libertarian.
Obama did mention the undue influence that business had on government, but was not quite clear on what he'd do about it. I guess we found out, didn't we?
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11-06-2009, 11:41 AM
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Do Not Steal, the socialists hate competition
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I think Obama did it all wrong... I think he had his intentions in a good place but screwd it up (royally)... He wanted universal health care to begin with it and he pushed everything aside to try to get there... instead of focusing on the economy, he threw bandaids at it while tackling healthcare, that was a mistake... not just for him but for the democratic party... they had the supermajority to do ANYTHING they wanted to... unfortunately instead of a moderate plan, they went with a socialistic one and found out that being a democrat does NOT equal being a socialist... a few of the democrats are actually democrats... so instead of quickly pushing through health care, it has been bogged down (and possibly dead... unless Republicans take up the cause with their modifications, which they will and then democrats would claim victory - for something they didn't do nonetheless).... Obama's mistake was throwing healthcare in so fast... he should of fixed the economy, gathered support from the public and then push the healthcare plan... that was a big mistake... He can't say "Yes we can" anymore... because he isn't campaigning anymore, people are going to ask questions instead of blind fervor... He should of fixed the regulations in the economy, put the Feds and the mega corporations under HUGE scrutiny and broken them up... if they are too big to fail then they are too big to exist... they need to broken up and done right NOW... not later, NOW... but he has failed to do so and will probably NEVER do it... why? Because of his EPIC failure as president... once health care gets destroyed, and republicans take over the 2010 elections, he becomes a LAME duck president... so sad really, so much promise and yet so much disappointment... if only he didn't get crazy with "his" agenda and focused on "America's" agenda....
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11-06-2009, 04:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by evilnewbie
I think Obama did it all wrong... I think he had his intentions in a good place but screwd it up (royally)... He wanted universal health care to begin with it and he pushed everything aside to try to get there... instead of focusing on the economy, he threw bandaids at it while tackling healthcare, that was a mistake... not just for him but for the democratic party... they had the supermajority to do ANYTHING they wanted to... unfortunately instead of a moderate plan, they went with a socialistic one and found out that being a democrat does NOT equal being a socialist... a few of the democrats are actually democrats... so instead of quickly pushing through health care, it has been bogged down (and possibly dead... unless Republicans take up the cause with their modifications, which they will and then democrats would claim victory - for something they didn't do nonetheless).... Obama's mistake was throwing healthcare in so fast... he should of fixed the economy, gathered support from the public and then push the healthcare plan... that was a big mistake... He can't say "Yes we can" anymore... because he isn't campaigning anymore, people are going to ask questions instead of blind fervor... He should of fixed the regulations in the economy, put the Feds and the mega corporations under HUGE scrutiny and broken them up... if they are too big to fail then they are too big to exist... they need to broken up and done right NOW... not later, NOW... but he has failed to do so and will probably NEVER do it... why? Because of his EPIC failure as president... once health care gets destroyed, and republicans take over the 2010 elections, he becomes a LAME duck president... so sad really, so much promise and yet so much disappointment... if only he didn't get crazy with "his" agenda and focused on "America's" agenda....
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People talk about Obama and the Congress 'fixing' the Economy, but we need to first think about what is wrong. One major problem is that our interest rates are too low and our Government (at all levels) spends more than it takes in. When your expenditures exceed your revenues, you need to scale back your spending. You start with less critical spending and, if need be, cut purposeful spending. We all do this when money is tight. Why should the Government not do this, when it is OUR money they are allocating? If they borrow and print the difference, that still hurts us as it puts us on the hook for future debt and our weakens the value of the dollars we already have.
With that in mind, the Government can 'fix' the Economy by interfering with it less. Stop the bailouts, stop the stimuli, stop regulating pay packages. Raise interest rates (yes, this will hurt business, but the rates are too low and our currency is being devalued). Cut spending so that taxes can be cut; lighten the regulatory burden so that business expansion is more plausible.
Obama and the (D)s are doing the opposite. They have Bernanke who is devaluing the currency and are raising Govenrment intervention in the Economy. They are giving unions more power, raising taxes, making Energy more costly and difficult to produce, increasing the regulatory burden and so on. All these things hurt an already-weak Economy. You can say I am wrong, but look at the numbers: we're already at 10.2% official unemployment. The true unemployment figure is much higher than this and is likely to rise a good amount before starting to come down.
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