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Old 08-27-2020, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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Did you watch the entire Teenage Bounty Hunters? I was able to take about ten minutes before turning it off for good. Rather watch Portland burn that that idiocy. But it sells to the brain dead crowd.
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Old 08-28-2020, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Did you watch the entire Teenage Bounty Hunters? I was able to take about ten minutes before turning it off for good. Rather watch Portland burn that that idiocy. But it sells to the brain dead crowd.
lol no. I got to episode 4 but the total nagging about sexual freedom and the inherent goodness of being a free spirit eventually got to me and I gave up.
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Old 08-31-2020, 11:26 PM
 
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I find the logic behind this thread faulty. Mass entertainment is always driven by profit above all else. That was the case during the Golden Age of Hollywood and remains true to this day. What has changed is interest in certain genres. Once westerns were very popular until they got exhausted and fell out of favor. The same may happen to the superhero genre as a whole down the line.

As far as themes go, it is also driven by popular demand. Many movies include LGBT people in them because there is a desire to cater to a large audience. In the past, racist undertones were quite common in Hollywood flicks because of the type of environment they operated in. Obviously, this isn't the only thing here, but it's an example of something that has gained traction in recent years.

As a final counterpoint to your argument, I can point out Hallmark. Most of their movies and shows promote the image of society and strong family ties.
It was also popular movies and TV shows that led to society becoming more tolerant and eventually accepting/ celebrating...as it pertains to interracial couples, homosexuals, etc.


The way these people are depicted in popular movies and tv shows has a tremendous societal impact, it may take a few years or even longer to change public opinion on a certain group, but it does lead to change, we can see that today!
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Old 09-01-2020, 04:38 AM
 
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It was also popular movies and TV shows that led to society becoming more tolerant and eventually accepting/ celebrating...as it pertains to interracial couples, homosexuals, etc.


The way these people are depicted in popular movies and tv shows has a tremendous societal impact, it may take a few years or even longer to change public opinion on a certain group, but it does lead to change, we can see that today!
I think you are giving the entertainment industry too much credit.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Hollywood produces approximately 500 films a year. With a pool that big you can find a handful that 'embrace' pretty much any particular thing that annoys you.

Hollywood produces movies to make money. Period. Sorry, I hate to break it to you, but when investors pony up tens of millions of dollars, they're not sitting around discussing which social barriers they want to break down - they're discussing how to get the best return on their investment.

You don't like some movies. All right. So? I think superhero films are vapid, banal, and entirely uninteresting. But I don't think they're some Hollywood plot to imbue modern society with the idea of superheroes. They're popular and they're profitable. It's as simple as that.

If you think society is so weak that it's going to fall apart because of theaters, and if you need your cinematic entertainment filtered through your ideological lens, and if you need a safe space from ideas of 'radical individualism', that's all really on no one but you.

PS - At any rate, there is no longer any Hays Code, and its long laundry list of conservative ideals which must be followed or all adhering distributors (essentially, all film distributors in the country) would refuse to take your film.

PPS - I am always amused when people who don't like 'PC this' or 'PC that' get irritated by things that are are don't fall into what is politically acceptable to them - though since such people have assured themselves that politically correctness is a bad thing that only other people do, they define it as agendas other than their own (which are always conveniently exempted from every being political correctness).
Well written. Thank you.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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This post seems scattershot.

I don't find any films/TV shows dedicated to writing an interesting plot, they are more focused on messages and themes.

I also don't think it has to do with money, and more to do with the talent pool in the production community as well as group think among the well networked individuals working in Hollywood.

There is a consistent message that individualism is good and society is better ignored/tarnished.

This is inadvertently not far from Ayn Rand's literature.
The average cost to produce a film today is $70-$90 million. So it is very much about money.

I don't think it's any secret that with each succeeding generation, the older generation (and I am one) laments the evolution of film and longs for the older values. As I have gotten successively older, I always tend to find fewer films that suit my preferred tastes. That started for me back in the mid-60s, and goes further and further in that direciton.

Do I think that Hollywood is a bit more liberal than the nation as a whole? Yes, I do. And I'm glad of it. But while Hollywood may try to nudge society along, the film-making community is nudged along by the American people. They don't make an effort to produce what won't sell.
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Old 09-02-2020, 10:45 AM
 
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Firstly I don't like old Hollywood films so this isn't a yearning for the old days.

But most of the entertainment coming out of the industry isn't about telling a story.

Stories require a plot that drives its themes, we have moved to a stage where themes drive plot.

I saw a trailer for a movie which major plot point is getting off (plot point, not thematical message).

It seems more like propaganda trying to tell be people to embrace radical individualism and be and do whatever you want.

Netflix has a new show I watched called Teenage Bounty Hunters which is much the same to this general trend.
you watch a show with the above title and then moan about it? what did you expect?
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Old 09-02-2020, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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you watch a show with the above title and then moan about it? what did you expect?
I thought the concept was fun and I thought it would be something to kill time.

I don't hate the set up (I'm on the lower end of the CD age spectrum) but was grated by the constant messaging that social responsibility is a joke, heritage is a joke, and people should just embrace whatever lifestyle they want and liberate themselves from the constraints and humility of everyday life.

I'm also not religious.
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Old 09-02-2020, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The average cost to produce a film today is $70-$90 million. So it is very much about money.

I don't think it's any secret that with each succeeding generation, the older generation (and I am one) laments the evolution of film and longs for the older values. As I have gotten successively older, I always tend to find fewer films that suit my preferred tastes. That started for me back in the mid-60s, and goes further and further in that direciton.

Do I think that Hollywood is a bit more liberal than the nation as a whole? Yes, I do. And I'm glad of it. But while Hollywood may try to nudge society along, the film-making community is nudged along by the American people. They don't make an effort to produce what won't sell.
Then why do they promote so many projects that bleed money?

Yes its an industry that requires money but you underestimate how far networking and social exchange among the top brass work.

When Chuck Lorre was tanking his comedy shows, the network he was working with gave him a raise.

Look at what JJ Abrams did to the star wars franchise.

The films were box office hits, but the subsequent value of the franchise tanked which costs Disney in the long term, yet his reputation is not tarnished.

Shows with very little plot interest but extreme social commentary that lose money are constantly green lighted and saved because of "company image".

The Hollywood industry is much more than just a simple market-demand equation economists dream up. There are more factors involved.
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Old 09-03-2020, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Did you watch the entire Teenage Bounty Hunters? I was able to take about ten minutes before turning it off for good. Rather watch Portland burn that that idiocy. But it sells to the brain dead crowd.
Only reason I'd watch it is Orange is the New Black was good. Obviously for the snowflakes that like to trigger themselves, there's a lot to get triggered there about. It's a show about criminals and the protagonist is an atheist lesbian drug mule. Weeds was okay as well. So obviously there's some talent behind it even if based on the cover it wouldn't appeal to me.
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