Anyone tired of hearing about MJ yet? (movies, singer, rock)

[roncorey1]

Originally Posted by calipoppy

Michael Jackson was an icon with influence reaching far beyond an entainer like Elvis (no offense to his fans)

I am sure that to those who lack an appreciation for certain genres of music can not relate but the beauty of MJ was that he transcended the narrow categories of pop, rock, r & b, gospel, urban contemporary, etc. His influence is evident in the majority of artists today whether they are white/black/other....he influenced the way music sounds today. He influenced the showmanship of a multitude of entertainers today, even country artists.

Michael's appeal and musical genius is not limited to East Coasters, West Coasters, Southerns or Northerns....his gift was recognized around the world!

Snippy people are quick to sit at their computers and wrote crude little comments but there is no denying that if Michael Jackson was not the icon that he was the coverage wouldn't be there.

If you are tired of the coverage, turn off the TV and log off your computers because the WORLD is appropriately mourning the loss of greatness and celebrating his life.

His "greatness" ended after 1992 and he owed ALOT to Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, and Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis. And to imply that MJ was a step above Elvis in regard to influence on American culture and music and the world for that matter shows a generational or musical genre bias on your part.

I was a metal head when Thriller came out and while I did like his vids a little and a few songs then, I saw NO influence whatsoever on Def Leppard, Quet Riot, Metallica, Bon Jovi, Guns & Roses (but he NEEDED Slash!), Whitesnake, Queensryche, etc....what about punk, reggae, and new wave and goth? The only thing he influenced was pop R&B, and late 70's/ early eighties dance. Bad was a better album and he was putting on good shows then, but by the late 80's he was losing it. You grossly overestimate his influence because the talking heads and Al Sharpton told you to believe it.

Remember: Mainstream media outlets ALWAYS latch onto what they think people like or what they feel that they should like. They often DON'T have their finger on the pulse of our society. It's all hype, promotion, and ratings driven.

[calipoppy]

Originally Posted by roncorey1

His "greatness" ended after 1992 (in your opinion) and he owed ALOT to Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, and Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis (producers play a huge part but Michael was a creative genius in his own right). And to imply that MJ was a step above Elvis in regard to influence on American culture and music and the world for that matter shows a generational or musical genre bias on your part (sorry but Elvis' appeal is quite limited and is very genre specific where MJs appeal transcends music genre, race and culture. I have a great respect for Elvis as an artist but his appeal is mostly in America; Michael Jackson has a worldwide appeal)

I was a metal head (explains a lot about your opinions and comments) when Thriller came out and while I did like his vids a little and a few songs then, I saw NO influence whatsoever on Def Leppard, Quet Riot, Metallica, Bon Jovi, Guns & Roses (but he NEEDED Slash!), Whitesnake, Queensryche, etc....what about punk, reggae, and new wave and goth? (Rock n Roll was born out of the Blues and Soul Music...Elvis and many other Classic Rockers were greatly influenced by Black music played in old southern juke joints; metal rock is simply an evolution of classic rock...true musicians can appreciate beyond the genre of music and appreciate an artist's universal appeal. I love ALL types of music from jazz, hip hop, r&b, country, classic rock, classical, etc.) The only thing he influenced was pop R&B, and late 70's/ early eighties dance. Bad was a better album and he was putting on good shows then, but by the late 80's he was losing it. You grossly overestimate his influence because the talking heads and Al Sharpton told you to believe it (why would you make an assumption that I would believe something just because someone else "told me" to do so? I have always been aware of Michael Jackson's contributions to the music industry, to the arts, to charities, to the world. It is beyond patronizing to make that assumption simply because I do not happen to agree with you)

Remember: Mainstream media outlets ALWAYS latch onto what they think people like or what they feel that they should like. They often DON'T have their finger on the pulse of our society. It's all hype, promotion, and ratings driven. (WOW...you really took me to school with this last comment now didn't ya )

The problem that far too many have is a lack of tolerance for other genres of music. I am not a "metalhead" but I would never make crass statements about the icons that exist within the metal rock world. Why would anyone feel the need to trash musical expression simply because it isn't their preference?

This is where the rude comments and a lack of maturity come into play with attitudes such as "I don't understand or like that type of music so it's crap" Grow up!

[roncorey1]

Originally Posted by calipoppy

The problem that far too many have is a lack of tolerance for other genres of music. I am not a "metalhead" but I would never make crass statements about the icons that exist within the metal rock world. Why would anyone feel the need to trash musical expression simply because it isn't their preference?

This is were the rude comments and a lack of maturity come into play with attitudes such as "I don't understand or like that type of music so it's crap" Grow up!

yeah....whatever....you missed my point...must be a Cali thang...zzzzzzz......

[calipoppy]

Originally Posted by roncorey1

yeah....whatever....you missed my point...must be a Cali thang...zzzzzzz......

I understood your point perfectly...you were attempting to be patronizing.

To dismiss my opinion because I am a Californian is just plain silly!

[mommabear2]

The only thing I'm tired of is the calculated negativity and judgment that people are willing to display towards another human being. Yes there's a tremendous amount of coverage about MJ. But if any of you naysayers actually influenced and inspired people the way Jackson did, you'd get that kind of news coverage too.

As Maya Angelou wrote:
"We were enchanted with his passion because he held nothing. He gave us all he had been given."

... which is way more than can be said for any of the whiners on City Data.

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by calipoppy

Michael Jackson was an icon with influence reaching far beyond an entainer like Elvis (no offense to his fans)

While there's no denying that MJ certainly was an icon, I wouldn't consider his long term critical acclaim will ever match his record sales. His best selling album (Thriller) only reached 20th on Rolling Stones top 500 albums of all time and his only other listing (Bad) is 202nd. Sales do not equate talent, influence or relevance. After all Macareena is the 2nd longest-running #1 single of all time. A hundred years from now MJ will be nothing more than a footnote to 1980's music.

[calipoppy]

Originally Posted by mommabear2

The only thing I'm tired of is the calculated negativity and judgment that people are willing to display towards another human being. Yes there's a tremendous amount of coverage about MJ. But if any of you naysayers actually influenced and inspired people the way Jackson did, you'd get that kind of news coverage too.

As Maya Angelou wrote:
"We were enchanted with his passion because he held nothing. He gave us all he had been given."

... which is way more than can be said for any of the whiners on City Data.

AMEN! Couldn't have said it better.

[MrMom2]

On the other hand, people are entitled their opinions, and 2 months ago, most of anything you heard about MJ was negative. Its easy to see how an entire generation growing up hearing nothing but bad things could develop a bad opinion of this person that they've only ever seen presented in a bad light in the media.

They don't care or like him enough to bother doing research on him. Thats human nature.

I have nothing against the guy personally. I don't know him to know why he was how he was, I'm just personally tired of all the repetitive coverage now. The other stars didn't get this treatment. Let him RIP and lets go back to concentrating on other world affairs.

Lastly, not everyone is going to like that style of music so they are in no way influenced by him. Thats just being an individual. For me, its rap. I hate it personally. I can't see that as an artform, but to millions it is. Bless em. But to me, don't like it and it holds no sway over me as far as music artforms. Again its a matter of opinion and opinions aren't wrong or right, they are just opinions.

[calipoppy]

Originally Posted by Ghengis

While there's no denying that MJ certainly was an icon, I wouldn't consider his long term critical acclaim will ever match his record sales. His best selling album (Thriller) only reached 20th on Rolling Stones top 500 albums of all time and his only other listing (Bad) is 202nd. Sales do not equate talent, influence or relevance. After all Macareena is the 2nd longest-running #1 single of all time. A hundred years from now MJ will be nothing more than a footnote to 1980's music.

Icons don't become footnotes in history.

And there will never be a complete concensus but Rolling Stones magazine does not necessarily speak directly to MJ's audience. Many of their "Top Albums" and "Top Songs" of All Time do not resonate with me personally but I respect those for which it does. Rolling Stones magazine is not the final authority on great music and musicians.

I remember that there was a time (when I was younger) that I didn't get The Beatles or The Rolling Stones. They were well before my time and my parents were not fans so I wasn't spoon fed the idea of their greatness. I discovered an appreciation and love for their music in my own time. I was open to it.

The problem that I believe a lot of non-Michael Jackson fans have is that they are not open to developing an appreciation for his signifigant contributions to the music industry. It is unquestionable that his artist expression has touched the lives of millions of people around the world. To deny his influence is just silly.

[Forever Blue]

I'm not tired of hearing about him. What do you expect?! Someone as famous of his magnitude that was not only internationally known, but well-loved & admired by numerous, numerous countries.

What I can't stand are people like Octo-Mom who hasn't done anything to positively contribute to this society getting all the media attn she's gotten. That's ludicrous!