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Old 01-01-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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You are very desperate looking for a thread of more than 2 years about the english people. And no english people are not really germanic (besides language) and neither blonde people are that common among their natives, just ask any forum member living in the UK, in most of the UK redheads are commoner than true blondes, which speaks about how blonde british people aren't really that common at all.

Even in kent, yorkshire, etc most english natives look closer to Irish than to germanics.
You guys have Slavic and Hunnic ancestors dating from a long time in where you are from, so why don't you look into that? Instead of spreading lies about British and Irish people. To make easy for you, it's an established fact that populations of southern, central and eastern England show very close genetic similarity to the people of the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany and Denmark, while those of Wales and Cornwall show genetical similarity to the Irish on one hand and the northwestern French on the other. Scandinavian ancestry is more common in the north than the south of England, this is comprehensible if you have a good knowledge of history. This is whether they are blonde or brunette. I do not have to ask someone from the U.K. who might just tell his personal opinion, I based on scientific facts. What someone says might change, DNA doesn't.

 
Old 01-02-2014, 03:57 PM
 
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Probably the Netherlands. They commonly look similar in facial features, and the languages are close. Dutch people can learn English easily and can assimilate into Britain easily without standing out. Genetically it's fact that the English received a substantial amount of transfer from the Netherlands and northern Germany. This is pretty accurate
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Dutch people on average are taller than British people. The dutch seem Scandinavian like in appearance.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 05:22 PM
 
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Yes, you could say the same about bolivian people speaking spanish, the fact that they speak a romance language don't turn them automatically into people of latin heritage. The same for the portuguese in Angola.

Does the fact that english people speak a mostly western germanic language into ethnic germanics? Definitely not.

And no, Im not saying that all germans are blond and british are dark haired, but as a whole germans are blonder than british people, and they definitely have the germanic look which the british (or even english alone) dont, the british look more "celtic" (which in reality is the pre-germanic/pre-celtic british looks)
It is not just the fact that the English are Germanic-speakers, that's only one aspect. People were previously named by the languages they spoke. Germanic, Slavic, Celtic, etc.... Genetical studies prove that populations of southern, central and eastern England, as well other English-descended people whose ancestors hailed from those regions as my own grandfather, that they show very close genetical similarity to the people of the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg,Germany and Denmark. This goes in perfectly with the Anglo-Saxon invasions of Britain and the regions they settled the most in, before conquering the rest of the British Isles. The Celtic strain would stronger in the regions outside of the ones I have just quoted. The best examples are Wales and Cornwall who show genetical differences from the southern,central,eastern English. Thus the English are essentially Germanic, but with Celtic admixture which is stronger in the southwest. The same could be said about Germany being Germanic, but with Slavic admixture in the east. It was the Anglo-Saxon missionaries who helped Christianize Frisia and Germany, because they saw Frisians and Germans(especially the Saxons who were wild pagans at the time) as their fellow relatives. Go read on St Boniface. Whether the Germans are blonder than the British, it's quite debatable.
Pre-Germanic/Pre-Celtic? What is that suppose to imply? we could also say the same for Germany, there were people living in Germany well before Germanic culture and way of life came to being. Actually there were people in Germany, even before humans came to the British Isles. The population of British Isles is definitely not more ancient than that of continental Europe. There had to be people on continental Europe, before there could be in Britain or even Ireland. You keep on forgetting that Britain and Ireland are islands.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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Dutch people on average are taller than British people. The dutch seem Scandinavian like in appearance.
The Netherlands used to be the shortest Europeans in the 19th century. Americans were once the tallest in the world at the same time, but not anymore. You'll find plenty of tall Americans, if you visit any convention with wealthy entrepreneurs and business people. Good quality food in abundance and access to high level health care can be just as much of a determining factor in stature as genes. The Dutch have greater social reforms and so good nutrition and social care is much larger encompassing than in the US. The Americans have larger numbers of people in poverty which brings down the average, but you might never know it in certain circles. England can be similar to the US in some regards to poor nutrition and generally poor health skills starting in childhood among a larger number than Holland and Scandinavia. But at one time not long ago British and American people towered over continental Europeans
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Troops of the Eight nations alliance of 1900. Left to right: Britain, United States, Australian colonial, British India, Germany, France, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Japan.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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Dutch people on average are taller than British people. The dutch seem Scandinavian like in appearance.
This.. finally a unbiased british commenting.

The english and dutch look nothing alike as a whole, the dutch are on average much taller, blonder and with nordic appearance. Britain is a result of a battlecamp mixing of phenotypes just like france, people dont look mediterranean but neither nordic on average. Any british person would agree with me excep americans like Mmega or saxonwold who never ever been to the Uk and seen what dailylife british people actually look like.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 10:18 PM
 
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Yes, you could say the same about bolivian people speaking spanish, the fact that they speak a romance language don't turn them automatically into people of latin heritage. The same for the portuguese in Angola.

Does the fact that english people speak a mostly western germanic language into ethnic germanics? Definitely not.

And no, Im not saying that all germans are blond and british are dark haired, but as a whole germans are blonder than british people, and they definitely have the germanic look which the british (or even english alone) dont, the british look more "celtic" (which in reality is the pre-germanic/pre-celtic british looks)
This is a dumb comparison, unless we all live in a world before the discovery of genetics. You can't compare Bolivia or descendents of pure Mayans in Mexico to the British isles. Do you even know just a little about genetic science and how it works, let alone what it means. You act selectively ignorant and oblivious. Scandinavian and northern continental genes are found in Britain, and in larger amounts the further east you go. This is fact and will not go away just because you don't like it. What's there to argue?! The same might not be said about Paraguay, which we can see through genetics might still retain most or all of it's original native genes despite speaking a European language. Your comparisons only make you appear ever less sophisticated on this issue.

It's very difficult to believe that the entirety of England remained almost entirely Celtic while 99.99% of it's language and almost all of it's culture was radically and quickly removed. This has always been the prime reasoning until modern genetics completely confirmed it. It also showed that it wasn't a complete wipe-out, and certainly a good number of Britons would have stayed if they bowed to their new overlords. And a good number of the Germanics, in particular the Anglo-Saxons, were already Germanic/Celtic hybrids. The two groups lived side by side for centuries and so mutual transfer of blood and culture occurred. Even a quintessentially Germanic word like Teuton has Celtic origins named after an ancient tribe. And why would Germans and Dutch not be considered a Germanic/Celtic hybrid, when you consider such large areas of their modern territories were once habitated by the Celtic people.
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England is also one of the unique examples in history of the Christian religion of it's entire nation being complete supplanted and rolled back to pagan, and then back again two centuries later. Do people just give up their religions, especially Christianity, with it's threats of damnation and eternal hell. Of course not, entirely new immigrants came with a different language, culture, and religion.

"And no, Im not saying that all germans are blond and british are dark haired.................." Um, yes, you pretty much have, on many occasions.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 10:34 PM
 
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This is a dumb comparison, unless we all live in a world before the discovery of genetics. You can't compare Bolivia or descendents of pure Mayans in Mexico to the British isles. Do you even know just a little about genetic science and how it works, let alone what it means. You act selectively ignorant and oblivious. Scandinavian and northern continental genes are found in Britain, and in larger amounts the further east you go. This is fact and will not go away just because you don't like it. What's there to argue?! The same might not be said about Paraguay, which we can see through genetics might still retain most or all of it's original native genes despite speaking a European language. Your comparisons only make you appear ever less sophisticated on this issue.

It's very difficult to believe that the entirety of England remained almost entirely Celtic while 99.99% of it's language and almost all of it's culture was radically and quickly removed. This has always been the prime reasoning until modern genetics completely confirmed it. It also showed that it wasn't a complete wipe-out, and certainly a good number of Britons would have stayed if they bowed to their new overlords. And a good number of the Germanics, in particular the Anglo-Saxons, were already Germanic/Celtic hybrids. The two groups lived side by side for centuries and so mutual transfer of blood and culture occurred. Even a quintessentially Germanic word like Teuton has Celtic origins named after an ancient tribe. And why would Germans and Dutch not be considered a Germanic/Celtic hybrid, when you consider such large areas of their modern territories were once habitated by the Celtic people.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._in_Europe.png

England is also one of the unique examples in history of the Christian religion of it's entire nation being complete supplanted and rolled back to pagan, and then back again two centuries later. Do people just give up their religions, especially Christianity, with it's threats of damnation and eternal hell. Of course not, entirely new immigrants came with a different language, culture, and religion.

"And no, Im not saying that all germans are blond and british are dark haired.................." Um, yes, you pretty much have, on many occasions.
In many areas of the Uk blond hair is uncommon, specially in parts of Ireland, wales and southern england. You even find more redhaired people there than people with true blond hair.
The average englishman has pigmentation like michael carrick which is darkbrown hair, mixed to light eyes and pale skin, with features more celtic than anything else.

British take it easy because they know their own people very well and they are not insanely obsessed with race unlike a large chunck of americans.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 10:53 PM
 
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This.. finally a unbiased british commenting.

The english and dutch look nothing alike as a whole, the dutch are on average much taller, blonder and with nordic appearance. Britain is a result of a battlecamp mixing of phenotypes just like france, people dont look mediterranean but neither nordic on average. Any british person would agree with me excep americans like Mmega or saxonwold who never ever been to the Uk and seen what dailylife british people actually look like.
You sound like you've been waiting a long time for a British poster give you the answer you want, while stepping over all of the obviously biased British posters. I don't believe for second that you've been anywhere, and there's absolutely no way for you to prove this. Does someone who says 9/20 or almost 50% of Bavarians are dark blond alone sound like they've been anywhere let alone there. I think you've carried the stigma of wog while gazing with admired resentment towards the "Aryan" world. Then you read about the people of the British Isles originating in Iberian refuge areas during the last Ice Age. Suddenly, could it be, could one of THEM be no better than ME? Now you've waged this battle to bring those English down to your level. They won't get away with this.

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Old 01-02-2014, 11:00 PM
 
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In many areas of the Uk blond hair is uncommon, specially in parts of Ireland, wales and southern england. You even find more redhaired people there than people with true blond hair.
The average englishman has pigmentation like michael carrick which is darkbrown hair, mixed to light eyes and pale skin, with features more celtic than anything else.

British take it easy because they know their own people very well and they are not insanely obsessed with race unlike a large chunck of americans.
Great rebuttal, going over and beyond what you always say. Why don't you just copy paste one post, it'll save you time.
 
Old 01-02-2014, 11:07 PM
 
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Yes, you could say the same about bolivian people speaking spanish, the fact that they speak a romance language don't turn them automatically into people of latin heritage. The same for the portuguese in Angola.

Does the fact that english people speak a mostly western germanic language into ethnic germanics? Definitely not.

And no, Im not saying that all germans are blond and british are dark haired, but as a whole germans are blonder than british people, and they definitely have the germanic look which the british (or even english alone) dont, the british look more "celtic" (which in reality is the pre-germanic/pre-celtic british looks)
Let us get to the bottom of things!
What is "the Germanic look"? Well let's see the first written physical description of the people of Germania(Ancient Germany) was done by Roman historian called Tacitus in CIRCA 98AD who described the Ancient Germans as "an unmixed" people, blue-eyed, reddish-haired, huge-framed. So if that is the general physical description of the people of Germania, then the English are definitely Germanic, since they are probably the most red-haired of all Germanic speakers with the exception of Icelanders, southeast Scotsmen. Red hair in the Netherlands is commonest in Friesland. That's why you have to be careful, blonde hair was not always what determined to be Germanic. It is with Gobineau, the Nazis and others that the notion of blondes to be the only Germanic that's false. Many of the Vikings were redheads(Erik the Red, Leif Eriksson), actually Russia was named after the Rus a predominantly red-haired, ruddy-type Scandinavians from Sweden who were also called Varangians. The Scandinavian ancestors of the Normans in Normandie were many times redheaded, William the Conqueror was a redhead. So you have to be careful, when you're saying "Germanic look". I'm a ginger and I'm Germanic in ancestry.
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