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Old 01-02-2014, 10:31 PM
 
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This.. finally a unbiased british commenting.

The english and dutch look nothing alike as a whole, the dutch are on average much taller, blonder and with nordic appearance. Britain is a result of a battlecamp mixing of phenotypes just like france, people dont look mediterranean but neither nordic on average. Any british person would agree with me excep americans like Mmega or saxonwold who never ever been to the Uk and seen what dailylife british people actually look like.
It is any daily life British person who is not well acquainted with genetical, anthropological studies who will believe you, or those who have not travelled anywhere.
Oh wait a minute, there! Germany has a slightly higher Mediterranean component than the U.K., according to the recent National Geographic Genographic Project. The U.K. is slightly more Northern European genetically than Germany. I rely on credible information not illusions. Most Germans have brown hair.
Michael Carrick is not dark like you are saying, he could pass as Dutch/German anyday.
Philip Cocu, Van Bommels, Van Basten, Johan Cruyf of the Netherlands are more dark-haired than Carrick!
Simon Dyson the English golfer, Will Hughes the soccer player, John Brake, Callum Wilson, James Rodwell these English7's rugby players, Dan Cole, Lewis Moody these other English rugby players, Iwan Thomas the Welsh athlete look similar to Scandinavians. Many times they are even paler

 
Old 01-02-2014, 10:54 PM
 
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It is any daily life British person who is not well acquainted with genetical, anthropological studies who will believe you, or those who have not travelled anywhere.
Oh wait a minute, there! Germany has a slightly higher Mediterranean component than the U.K., according to the recent National Geographic Genographic Project. The U.K. is slightly more Northern European genetically than Germany. I rely on credible information not illusions. Most Germans have brown hair.
Michael Carrick is not dark like you are saying, he could pass as Dutch/German anyday.
Philip Cocu, Van Bommels, Van Basten, Johan Cruyf of the Netherlands are more dark-haired than Carrick!
Simon Dyson the English golfer, Will Hughes the soccer player, John Brake, Callum Wilson, James Rodwell these English7's rugby players, Dan Cole, Lewis Moody these other English rugby players, Iwan Thomas the Welsh athlete look similar to Scandinavians. Many times they are even paler
there are people with black, brown, red and blond hair in every country, but the germans overall have more germanic apperaance ( body types, height, facial structures, blondism) in comparison to british islanders who as a whole are darker and less germanic looking than even some groups in northern france.

dutch look germanic, van basten has germanic looks, carrick looks celtic/pre-germanic like the ovewhelm of ethnic english people.. and no... not even with half bottle of vodka I would confuse him with a german... let alone dutchman.

Cocu isnt a typical dutch lastname btw. he definitely has french roots... good try.

average english man is 5'9 1/2 to 5'10 mousy/darkbrown hair with celtic features like carrick. Average dutchman is 6'1 blond/lightbrown and with germanic/nordic features.

average german is 5'11 to 6' with lightbrown/darkblond hair and germanic/central european features. (except in the upper north where they look closer to danish and dutch people)

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Old 01-02-2014, 11:35 PM
 
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In many areas of the Uk blond hair is uncommon, specially in parts of Ireland, wales and southern england. You even find more redhaired people there than people with true blond hair.
The average englishman has pigmentation like michael carrick which is darkbrown hair, mixed to light eyes and pale skin, with features more celtic than anything else.

British take it easy because they know their own people very well and they are not insanely obsessed with race unlike a large chunck of americans.
How many times have I told you blond hair is not uncommon in Ireland you numpty. You see multiple people every day with blond hair. Red hair is the least common colour hair in every country not blond. Also light to mid brown hair is extremely common in Ireland. Here is a selection of pictures that you will dismiss. These pictures are all from Leinster rugby. There is plenty of dark hair but lighter shades and blond are NOT RARE in Ireland. Ireland has a great variety of hair colours and shades. It is not only that there is red hair but also lots of shades like brown with red tones and strawberry blond. The same with eyes. Lots of people with blue, green, mixed coloured eyes, hazel and some brown. There is a lot of variety of colouring which I personally think is really nice. There is not a predominant hair colour but lots of different shades of hair.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...69475936_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...08450066_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...87661115_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...77700694_o.jpg

Even with men shades of brown are the majority.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...90454041_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...00418294_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...07995769_o.jpg

And look Traveller here are the apparently rare blond Irish children.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...58265673_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...72894309_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...03851142_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...43925785_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...20410865_o.jpg

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Old 01-02-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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How many times have I told you blond hair is not uncommon in Ireland you numpty. You see multiple people every day with blond hair. Red hair is the least common colour hair in every country not blond. Also light to mid brown hair is extremely common in Ireland. Here is a selection of pictures that you will dismiss. These pictures are all from Leinster rugby. There is plenty of dark hair but lighter shades and blond are NOT RARE in Ireland. Ireland has a great variety of hair colours and shades. It is not only that there is red hair but also lots of shades like brown with red tones and strawberry blond. The same with eyes. Lots of people with blue, green, mixed coloured eyes, hazel and some brown. There is a lot of variety of colouring which I personally think is really nice. There is not a predominant hair colour but lots of different shades of hair.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...69475936_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...08450066_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...87661115_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...77700694_o.jpg

Even with men shades of brown are the majority.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...90454041_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...00418294_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...07995769_o.jpg

And look Traveller here are the apparently rare blond Irish children.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...58265673_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...72894309_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...03851142_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...43925785_o.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...20410865_o.jpg
among Irish adults
black or darkbrown: 40%
medium to lightbrown(mousy brown): 35 %
lightbrown or darkblond:10%
red or auburn
:10%

lighter blondes(the northeen european type of blond): 5%

darkbrown is the most common hair color among the native Irish.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 12:04 AM
 
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among Irish adults
black or darkbrown: 40%
medium to lightbrown(mousy brown): 35 %
lightbrown or darkblond:10%
red or auburn
:10%

lighter blondes(the northeen european type of blond): 5%

darkbrown is the most common hair color among the native Irish.
Well even by those figures you are wrong because 60% don't have dark brown hair. Also what source are they from just interested in who did a study of such magnitude on Ireland?

Also you will have to agree that I've shown you plenty of pictures of men and you would have to agree they are not particularly dark by European standards?

You've also said that even in Irish children blond hair is rare well even by that selection from a rugby site you would have to admit that isn't accurate?

Also why is it that you don't take any heed of any genetic studies but you are quite happy to sprout those figures on the hair colour of the Irish and even by them it proves that 60% of the Irish are not dark haired.

Also the figure for blond hair (not including light brown) is definitely higher than 10%. There are more blonds than redheads and red hair is quoted as 10%. I'll wait for more genetic pigmentation studies to come out which is as accurate as you can get. Also if the figure for red hair is including auburn that figure would be a lot higher as I don't even count auburn hair as red but reddish brown which is quite common in Ireland.

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Old 01-03-2014, 12:11 AM
 
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Well even by those figures you are wrong because 60% don't have dark brown hair. Also what source are they from just interested in who did a study of such magnitude on Ireland?

Also you will have to agree that I've shown you plenty of pictures of men and you would have to agree they are not particularly dark by European standards?

You've also said that even in Irish children blond hair is rare well even by that selection from a rugby site you would have to admit that isn't accurate?
how much would you estimate blond hair to run among ethnic Irish people ? 15% ?

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Old 01-03-2014, 12:35 AM
 
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Irish are darker haired than other northern europeans (maybe with exception of welsh)
of course I know tjere is huge diversity of coloring in ireland but darkbrown/black hair seem increasingly common compared to other northern european countries (specially when you exclude the Uk) and blond , specially the lighter blonde shades noticeably less frequent.

It also depends if you consider mousy brown which is a very common hair color among british Islanders and Irish people to be light ot dark. As its definitely not blond (neither borderline blond) but also isnt dark in the sense of darkbrown/black hair.
Mousy brown is a light to medium shade of brown. I don't have exaggerated ideas of hair colour. Blond hair is light blond to dark blond not light brown hair.

I've said before that Ireland is not Scandinavia or the Netherlands but that is only by degrees. There is more brown hair in Ireland but Ireland is not a country comparable to Spain or Italy in colouring. It is also lighter in colouring than France.

I'm not sure what your motive is? You love to say the Irish are rough looking and the impression you give is that they are of a lesser people than your "Germanic" people. You have to admit you come across as quite racist? I don't know why you have to bring the Irish into every topic of conversation.

The British people are the supposed Germanics not the Irish. The Irish don't claim to be Germanic but they are without a doubt a Northern European people whether they are "Celtic" or not. Celtic is a language and culture. There are no "Celtic" genes.

The Irish have never claimed to be anyway Germanic so stop using them for whatever motives you have.
 
Old 01-03-2014, 01:00 AM
 
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there are people with black, brown, red and blond hair in every country, but the germans overall have more germanic apperaance ( body types, height, facial structures, blondism) in comparison to british islanders who as a whole are darker and less germanic looking than even some groups in northern france.

dutch look germanic, van basten has germanic looks, carrick looks celtic/pre-germanic like the ovewhelm of ethnic english people.. and no... not even with half bottle of vodka I would confuse him with a german... let alone dutchman.

Cocu isnt a typical dutch lastname btw. he definitely has french roots... good try.

average english man is 5'9 1/2 to 5'10 mousy/darkbrown hair with celtic features like carrick. Average dutchman is 6'1 blond/lightbrown and with germanic/nordic features.

average german is 5'11 to 6' with lightbrown/darkblond hair and germanic/central european features. (except in the upper north where they look closer to danish and dutch people)
Van Basten is Paleo-Atlantid at best.
http://withfriendship.com/images/j/4...en-picture.jpg
You only say he looks Germanic because you know who he is. He is roughly similar to Jim Morrison, who was Irish and Scottish and considered dark by standard. Basten is even darker. If Basten was British you would be all over how Celtic Brythonic he was
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/50...rison+1967.jpg

Average Dutchman is 5'11" 20+, and that's self reported. 6' 1/2" is only for under 21 generation. English are 5'9" measured 16+, Germans are 5'10" self reported 18+. According this rationale Germans and especially the Dutch would never be considered Germanic in the 19th century. The Dutch used to be the shortest in Europe.

Average Dutch is blonde and light brown?
http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/.imagin...78%20%20WK.jpg
Looks more like medium brown to light brown with a sizable darker brown and dark blonde number with a couple of light blondes. This mousey colour you speak of seams common. Carrick has medium brown, not dark brown. Medium is the most common hair colour in England according to legit surveys, not ignorant estimations. His complexion would not be out of place in Holland. Still his name is Scots, so technically he shouldn't be thought of as the average Englishman necessarily.

I think you mistake what you feel is distinct with most common or average. They are often not the same. It's more complicated than just picking one individual to claim as average for all of England. I don't think you are qualified for the task either. Anyone who claims Rowan Atkinson as a typical English look will never get it.

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Old 01-03-2014, 07:14 AM
 
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This.. finally a unbiased british commenting.

The english and dutch look nothing alike as a whole, the dutch are on average much taller, blonder and with nordic appearance. Britain is a result of a battlecamp mixing of phenotypes just like france, people dont look mediterranean but neither nordic on average. Any british person would agree with me excep americans like Mmega or saxonwold who never ever been to the Uk and seen what dailylife british people actually look like.
I agree with you.

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You sound like you've been waiting a long time for a British poster give you the answer you want, while stepping over all of the obviously biased British posters. I don't believe for second that you've been anywhere, and there's absolutely no way for you to prove this. Does someone who says 9/20 or almost 50% of Bavarians are dark blond alone sound like they've been anywhere let alone there. I think you've carried the stigma of wog while gazing with admired resentment towards the "Aryan" world. Then you read about the people of the British Isles originating in Iberian refuge areas during the last Ice Age. Suddenly, could it be, could one of THEM be no better than ME? Now you've waged this battle to bring those English down to your level. They won't get away with this.


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In many areas of the Uk blond hair is uncommon, specially in parts of Ireland, wales and southern england. You even find more redhaired people there than people with true blond hair.
The average englishman has pigmentation like michael carrick which is darkbrown hair, mixed to light eyes and pale skin, with features more celtic than anything else.

British take it easy because they know their own people very well and they are not insanely obsessed with race unlike a large chunck of americans.
I think your just stereotyping now, I can assure that red heads are not more common that blonds.

And define ''true blond''
 
Old 01-03-2014, 07:29 AM
 
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Van Basten is Paleo-Atlantid at best.
http://withfriendship.com/images/j/4...en-picture.jpg
You only say he looks Germanic because you know who he is. He is roughly similar to Jim Morrison, who was Irish and Scottish and considered dark by standard. Basten is even darker. If Basten was British you would be all over how Celtic Brythonic he was
http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/50...rison+1967.jpg

Average Dutchman is 5'11" 20+, and that's self reported. 6' 1/2" is only for under 21 generation. English are 5'9" measured 16+, Germans are 5'10" self reported 18+. According this rationale Germans and especially the Dutch would never be considered Germanic in the 19th century. The Dutch used to be the shortest in Europe.

Average Dutch is blonde and light brown?
http://www.geschiedenis24.nl/.imagin...78%20%20WK.jpg
Looks more like medium brown to light brown with a sizable darker brown and dark blonde number with a couple of light blondes. This mousey colour you speak of seams common. Carrick has medium brown, not dark brown. Medium is the most common hair colour in England according to legit surveys, not ignorant estimations. His complexion would not be out of place in Holland. Still his name is Scots, so technically he shouldn't be thought of as the average Englishman necessarily.

I think you mistake what you feel is distinct with most common or average. They are often not the same. It's more complicated than just picking one individual to claim as average for all of England. I don't think you are qualified for the task either. Anyone who claims Rowan Atkinson as a typical English look will never get it.
You use pseudo science to claim two guys looking similar but they look nothing alike...

http://es.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/P.../802136_w2.jpg
http://www.footie.co.za/wp-content/u...Van-Basten.jpg
Ask any british islander if that guy would be thought as ethnic brit or more like dutch or german in the Uk.

Even in your pseudoscience I would beat you If I want and jim morrison and van basten look nothing alike... morrison looks typical white american and van basten look dutch and could pass for german too.

Carrick has quite darkbrown hair in many pictures look black

http://www.footballshock.com/wp-cont...aelcarrick.jpg


Any person who been to the UK would never confuse that guy with anything than british (could pass in ireland too).. never seen those combination of features anywhere else in europe.

And you cherrypick a bad picture of the dutch..

Those students are also from the netherlands.. and they look nothing like british people.. they would stand out in the UK for sure.

http://jouwstad.eu/wp-content/upload...enten-7089.jpg

Ask any british person if those students look like average british students.. they dont... only you keep talking the same over and over because you never left the states.

Talking About height... Im 5'11 on the notch and felt short in holland, in germany I was also below average but less so.

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