For EU citizens only: which countries should join EU? (Germans, speaking, developed)

[the troubadour]

Originally Posted by moskiter

I can believe it. There is 3.5 million Turks in Germany now - this number is scary.

BTW there are many Poles living in Germany, I was wondering what is German's view on them, did it improve anything recently?

This figure is i including all folk with a Turkish background,is it not? And not solely those born in Turkey.

For Polish,Britain is the place. The UK,Rep of Ireland and Sweden were the onlt three EU countries to give immediate access to new European member states.

[moskiter]

Originally Posted by the troubadour

This figure is i including all folk with a Turkish background,is it not? And not solely those born in Turkey.

For Polish,Britain is the place. The UK,Rep of Ireland and Sweden were the onlt three EU countries to give immediate access to new European member states.

Yes, this includes Turkish Germans too, however - they are still Muslim and most of them speak Turkish.

As for the Poles in Britain and Ireland - Poles are Christians (no culture clash) and work legally, therefore they pay taxes to the UK's government. That's a huge defference. But they take Brits' jobs - that's true too. But UK didn't have open borders for Poles in 2004, they could do it in 2011 as Germany is going to do. In one month the last countries - Germany and Austria - are opening borders for citizens of countries which joined EU in 2004, no mass immigration will occur, however some Poles who live by the former Poland-Germany border probably will find employment in Germany for better pays.

[Geggo]

[quote=MelanieGermany;16759772]

<<<Everybody who reads her book can understand, WHY we dont like the Turkey OR more turkish people,

Melanie, please do not say "we" when you express your own opinion. Not all Germans think the same way.

Many people in Germany like Turkey (they go there for their holidays) and the Turkish people.

<<<! It`s a fact that most crime is done by them and other muslim people.

Is it really a fact? Please send a link with relevant statistics for the whole of Germany.

<<<AND DRIVE EXPENSIVE MERCEDES CARS OR BMW!!!!

The Turks I know do not drive expensive cars. How many Turks do you know? If you do know any, do they really fit the picture you have drawn?

<<<Sorry... thats what most / NOT ALL germans think at this moment....

That may be what most readers of the BILD tabloid might think.

[Iolo]

Originally Posted by moskiter

Yes, this includes Turkish Germans too, however - they are still Muslim and most of them speak Turkish.

As for the Poles in Britain and Ireland - Poles are Christians (no culture clash) and work legally, therefore they pay taxes to the UK's government. That's a huge defference. But they take Brits' jobs - that's true too. But UK didn't have open borders for Poles in 2004, they could do it in 2011 as Germany is going to do. In one month the last countries - Germany and Austria - are opening borders for citizens of countries which joined EU in 2004, no mass immigration will occur, however some Poles who live by the former Poland-Germany border probably will find employment in Germany for better pays.

Poles and Irish have great virtues, but they are Roman Catholics, and I think British people have more in common with traditional muslims, who are not priest-dominated.

[hobbicon]

Originally Posted by Geggo

Melanie, please do not say "we" when you express your own opinion. Not all Germans think the same way.

Many people in Germany like Turkey (they go there for their holidays) and the Turkish people.

I do. And so do many others.

Originally Posted by Geggo

That may be what most readers of the BILD tabloid might think.

The "BILD" argument is getting old. I mean lets face it: They came as guest workers to Germany and now they are guests who won't leave. Nobody wants them here around.

Just ask yourself: Would we face the same problems such as mass unemployment, crime, youth gangs,...., if 3 million Scandinavians migrated to Germany ?

[noela]

Originally Posted by MelanieGermany

Jawohl AND Ja genau = both right :-)

Melanie

I just read a very interessting good book, which is a Bestseller in Germany and written by a judge of a juvenile court. She worked as a judge in Berlin, the "main capital of youth crime" . Her name is Kirsten Heisig and the books name is translated " The End of patience".

She did suicide short after writing the book.

Everybody who reads her book can understand, WHY we dont like the Turkey OR more turkish people, especially young turkish people, in Germany! It`s a fact that most crime is done by them and other muslim people.

I am not a Nazi. But all germans know, that our government did too much mistakes during the last years. Everybody came to Germany, people without german language skills, without any education, not accepting german rules and laws, taking money from the government / social welfare, sending money to their familys, dealing with drugs, AND DRIVE EXPENSIVE MERCEDES CARS OR BMW!!!!

Sorry... thats what most / NOT ALL germans think at this moment....

I'm with you on your last paragraph (I haven't read the book and don't know the author). And of course you're not a nazi, enough with the "German Who Disagrees=Nazi" thing still going on

Massive immigration is and will always be troublesome. I have nothing against reasonable amounts of people, provided that they know at least the basics of language or are willing to take a course when they arrive, and provided that they have a job waiting, which is what is expected of immigrants in, for instance, a country as democratic and which people regards as sympathetic and open-minded as Canada. It's only common sense.

The EU countries which have been unwillingly receiving non-EU immigrants in large quantities do experience all sorts of problems and the people migrating there also have a very hard time adapting, if they ever do. It's only natural that countries that are underachieving are viewed with suspicion by those members which have been dragging the EU along and doing their homework well.

[Geggo]

Originally Posted by hobbicon

<<<Just ask yourself: Would we face the same problems such as mass unemployment, crime, youth gangs,...., if 3 million Scandinavians migrated to Germany ?

The unemployment rates within Germany differ greatly. The Southern states of Bavaria, Baden-W., Hesse and Rhineland Palatinate had rates of 3.8.(!) to 5.9 (Oct. 2010) which can hardly be referred to as mass unemployment, despite a hight proportion of Turkish people living there.
On the other hand, the Eastern states - with the exception of Berlin - have hardly any Turks (or other foreigners), but a much higher unemployment rate (8.3 in Thuringia - 12.8 in Berlin).

Crime and youth gangs? I live in a city with about 300.000 people. The rate of Turkish offenders might be higher than that of German offenders, but blaming them for most crimes is not fair, which the Bild paper and other similar sources want you to believe. I have not heard of Turkish youth gangs in my town, so I believe this problem either does not really exist or only in the bigger cities such as Berlin.

At any rate this "problem" (if it really is one) does not concern the vast majority of Germany.

[pigeonhole]

NONE!
The EU is not even able to "digest" its new members, which are very poor countries (Romania, Bulgaria). Now there are 27 EU members, nearly half a billion inhabitants.
Now Brussels want to include Turkey, which is not even on the European continent (save the Istanbul region): that's crazy!
For one thing, Europe will never be one nation like the US, because precisely it is a conglomerate of many nations, jealous of their own independence.

[MelanieGermany]

@ Geggo:
If you read Kirsten Heisings book, you will understand "SORRY" MY Opinion. I am also reading Thilo`s book right now... and it nearly says the same....

sorry, cant give you a link but you can read this books....

and I DON´T READ THE BILD! ( prefer Focus) :-)

BUT NOW I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTIONS TO THE AMERICANS HERE:
What do you think if the Turkey would join the US as 51st State????? :-)

[moskiter]

Americans are as much anti-Muslim as Europeans, just look at all the accussations of Obama being Muslim or burning a Qur'an day. Majority of white Christians is definitively "xenophobic" - I put this word in quatation marks because people often have good reasons not to welcome Muslims in their peaceful countries, and what about 9/11 done on religious background by Muslims (at least officially)? Living in Poland for many years I can say that Poles would also oppose Muslim immigration to their country after watching what is happening in Germany and France, of course Poland is not attractive for Muslims yet. If a referendum was conducted among present-day EU citizens, whether they want Turkey in the EU or not - they answer would be "NO" at this point.

While most people oppose Turkey to join the EU, what do you think about Balkan states: Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, Bosnia and Albania (Albania is Muslim too) ? Should any of them be allowed to enter the union in near future?