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View Poll Results: Are European women just not as big on race when it comes to dating?
No, they care way less about race, it really means nothing to them 21 17.50%
They care but not the extent that American women do 42 35.00%
They care just as much as American women 25 20.83%
They care about it even more 32 26.67%
Voters: 120. You may not vote on this poll

 
 
Old 09-20-2011, 05:43 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Yes, you're right. Not only that, the nationalistic mouvements springing all around Europe are creating "bubbles" of identities that work against national or European integration. For example, many Spanish feel foreign in some parts of Spain, many Belgians feel foreign in certain parts of Belgium, the same goes with Italy, etc.

And yes, unfortunately many nationalistic mouvements also claim "racial" identity. Nationalism have generated so much hatred and mistrust that we can talk about racism exerted against Europeans living in their country.

Just the other day I saw a black Nationalistic leader in a Catalan Separatist Party, they rather have a black than a Spanish. Quite grotesque, really, since pure-blooded Catalans are just a ficklish minority. Europe is full of s.h.i.t.

Just to summarize, in many cases there's so much hate between European regions that there's no hate to spare for non European foreigners.
It really depends on where you live. Right now I'm staying in Wallonia (French-speaking part of Belgium) and I can notice some animosity between Flanders and Wallonia. People don't really identify as "Belgian", they focus more on their F/W identity. Just yesterday there was the "Fêtes de Wallonie" in the city where I live (Namur) to celebrate Wallonia's existence. I know the same kind of animosity exists in other multi-national countries like Spain and the UK. However, in other countries this kind of rivalry doesn't exist at all. Where I'm from (the Netherlands) people hardly identify with their province anymore and everyone speaks the national language (albeit with different accents). Sure there is some friendly competition between e.g. the Frisians and the Hollanders but there is mutual respect and the thought of one province seceding is non-existent. The structures of European societies are very complicated, there are nations within nations and thousands of regional dialects. It will be a challenge to preserve these regional cultures without impeding European integration (a challenge the EU has taken on btw).

Anyway, your comment about a black leader of the Catalan Seperatist Party underscores my argument that Europeans are more concerned with culture than with race. As long as you are fully integrated in, say, Catalan society, it doesn't matter if you're black or Asian or w/e. Catalan nationalists rather support a black person who represents Catalan culture than a white Spaniard who doesn't.

 
Old 09-20-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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That's not my point. Immigrants can integrate successfully here, and the vast majority do, as long as they make an effort to learn the local language and accept the local laws and values. If they feel they can't do that or aren't willing to make that effort, there are plenty of other countries they can move to.
I can see your point. But I think you also have to accept that countries in which there is significant immigration will inevitably undergo cultural change. It's been that way throughout history. You can't expect 100% integration. People will always bring their culture and values with them. And even if they don't, their descendants may very well seek to connect with their ancestral culture and roots.
 
Old 09-20-2011, 01:59 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I can see your point. But I think you also have to accept that countries in which there is significant immigration will inevitably undergo cultural change. It's been that way throughout history. You can't expect 100% integration. People will always bring their culture and values with them. And even if they don't, their descendants may very well seek to connect with their ancestral culture and roots.
There's a difference between integration and assimilation. I don't expect newcomers to suddenly forget about their ancestral culture and roots. However, I do think that when you choose to move to another country, you should make an effort to integrate and become an active contributor to society. I just moved to a new country a week ago and the first thing I did was book a language course to be able to communicate with the local citizens better. All I expect from new immigrants to my country is 1) learn the national language, 2) abide by the national laws, 3) respect the local culture, and 4) try to contribute to society either through education or employment. If you have taken these four steps, you are successfully integrated in my opinion.
 
Old 09-20-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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Europe started the entire slave trade and shipped them to different nations throughout the Americas -
...............(U.S. Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Jamaica, Venezuala, Suriname, etc. you name it...)
It was actually Arab muslims that started the slave trade.
 
Old 09-20-2011, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Manila
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It was actually Arab muslims that started the slave trade.
And still are doing it sadly to black Africans!
 
Old 09-22-2011, 03:03 AM
 
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As a half-Asian currently living in Europe, this is a good thread I had to read. I agree with what some of the posts mentioned, that it depends on where in America and where in Europe.

In America, I actually felt that I did better in California than in Georgia, as some posters mentioned that West Coast people are more open-minded and exposed to Asian culture. In Georgia, the specific kind of girls I was attracted to (the former high school cheerleader/SEC sorority sister, classy, well dressed/groomed, Republican, Christian type) weren't really attracted to me since I'm a skinny, ugly half-Asian guy. They went for the muscular, masculine, football player, frat-boy, Republican, Southern, redneck types.

In Europe, I'm currently living in Sicily, and I have yet to figure these women out. I think the language barrier is the biggest thing holding me back. I don't think Italians have anything against Asians. If anything, I think they are curious about their culture. I know England is multi-racial and has a large Asian-population (at least in London), so they are used to them.

I also agree about how white women tend to be placed on a pedestal. I've always had better luck with Asian or Latin women. It seems easier to get a gorgeous Asian or Latin girl that's a 9 than a white girl that's a 6.
 
Old 09-22-2011, 10:30 AM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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I also agree about how white women tend to be placed on a pedestal. I've always had better luck with Asian or Latin women. It seems easier to get a gorgeous Asian or Latin girl that's a 9 than a white girl that's a 6.
As a white guy who is attracted to all colors, I agree with this. I think old values of "whiteness = higher class and thus not working in the fields" combined with the genetic fact that white girls have bigger boobs and rounder hips (AS A GENERAL STATISTICAL RULE, NOT ON A CASE STUDY BASIS!!!!!!!! I'VE DATED A FEW ASIAN GIRLS WITH BIG BOOBS TOO, BUT STATISTICALLY YOU CAN'T ARGUE THEY RIVAL IN SIZE), white girls do tend to be sought after.

I'm a reasonably attractive guy I think and women have tended to check me out. The thing I've noticed among a lot of white girls in America anyway is they make things so damn complicated. They're like Arab businessmen. Trying to link two totally discrete and unrelated things ALL TEH F-ING TIME. They also liked playing head games and hiding their true agendas and flirted around more.

Eventually I got tired of the BS and only dated foreign women. Eventually I married with one.
 
Old 09-22-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Macao
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I also agree about how white women tend to be placed on a pedestal. I've always had better luck with Asian or Latin women. It seems easier to get a gorgeous Asian or Latin girl that's a 9 than a white girl that's a 6.
I'm white, but I don't even see white american women as dateable. For one, they're too big. Than, on top of the too big, they often carry way too much attitude.

Of course, not all, there are plenty of exceptions. But the very few that have great dispositions and 'not large', have a massive dating pool of guys surrounding them like sharks.

Plus, you can meet very attractive, gorgeous latina and asian women with great personalities who are very pleasant and enjoyable to be around. Actually I already married one of those types, but I've pretty much ONLY dated asian, latina and black for about 15 years before I did marry one.

That being said, I do think there is an element within the U.S. that does like white blond women. But, I think it's more like when they are adolescent 15 year old boys. I think that desire fades away along with 'be a rock-n-roll star' or be a 'professional BBall Player'.

Once you hit about 25, the only guys still into the blonds are the ones who watch way too much pornography, or who actually became a rock-n-roll star.
 
Old 09-22-2011, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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As a white guy who is attracted to all colors, I agree with this. I think old values of "whiteness = higher class and thus not working in the fields" combined with the genetic fact that white girls have bigger boobs and rounder hips (AS A GENERAL STATISTICAL RULE, NOT ON A CASE STUDY BASIS!!!!!!!! I'VE DATED A FEW ASIAN GIRLS WITH BIG BOOBS TOO, BUT STATISTICALLY YOU CAN'T ARGUE THEY RIVAL IN SIZE), white girls do tend to be sought after.

I'm a reasonably attractive guy I think and women have tended to check me out. The thing I've noticed among a lot of white girls in America anyway is they make things so damn complicated. They're like Arab businessmen. Trying to link two totally discrete and unrelated things ALL TEH F-ING TIME. They also liked playing head games and hiding their true agendas and flirted around more.

Eventually I got tired of the BS and only dated foreign women. Eventually I married with one.
Rounder hips? What?
 
Old 09-22-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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There are African-Americans who are very educated and very successful. Washington DC has entire black suburbs that are some of the wealthiest in the nation.

But if you're asking why aren't all 40 million throughout every American city in the U.S., why aren't they all educated and successful. Probably the same reasion that not all white Americans are all educated and successful.

It comes down to your family's perception on education. Poor white people don't always value education, and neither do poor black people. Even worse among poor black (and native Americans for that matter), among some of those groups, education is perceived to be a 'white' thing to do. To be fair, American history IS very euro-centric. Than you add things like declining family structure, drug epidemics and gang cultures that ravage the U.S., on and on. Past racism also gets in the pysche of older family members who pass it on to the current generations. 'Ghetto mentalities' don't help either among the poorest neighborhoods, and some African-American leaders even blame rap music.

I think largely African-Africans from Africa escape all of this because they come to the U.S. with education and financial success in mind. Their families grill it into them. Basically, they come from a different mindset, approach, a set of values, a focus and purpose. They excel.

To be fair, there are many African-American born Americans who also have families like this, and excel as well. It's a bit of a disservice when people focus and assume all African-Americans to be 'bad', when actually there are a ton of successful and well-educated African-Americans as well. If you are curious about them, they are called 'buppies' - i.e black and yuppie. However, there are also a ton of very hard-working working class African-Americans, so we shouldn't completely dismiss them for not being highly educated either.

But anyways, probably the 3rd paragraph might explain why not all 40 million are well-educated and successful.
One big rep for Tiger Beer! This is pretty much the reason. I get tired of immigrants (all immigrants) coming over here complaining about black americans. Its like they completely ignore all the poor and uneducated people in their original country. India and China both have like a billion people each and most of them are poor and uneducated. Do they actually think it the "not cream of the crop" came here they would automatically start being successful and making it? Right. I wish people would stop harping on black folk in this country. We came a long way and we are still moving.

Anyway, I noticed from my travels and personal experiences that Indian men and Asians tend to get the shaft when it comes to white women in this country. I haven't really noticed in the Europe because I was too busy doing my own thing. Still that doesn't mean they can't get good white women if they really wanted it. I just don't understand why they think that white men and women are something to strive to date or marry.
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