European women are not as big on race as American women, is this true? (westerners, Vienna)

[callmemaybe]

Hmmmm, I voted 'they care even more' but it's not exactly what I think. I think a lot of European girls wouldn't date a black guy just because it's not really in their nature, they don't really even see black guys in real life... so they seem kind of mysterious, almost like a novelty. A minority or even a large percentage might even find this a turn on.

I can't really say though, I don't really know that many European girls. I'm kinda just guessing.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by callmemaybe

Hmmmm, I voted 'they care even more' but it's not exactly what I think. I think a lot of European girls wouldn't date a black guy just because it's not really in their nature, they don't really even see black guys in real life... so they seem kind of mysterious, almost like a novelty. A minority or even a large percentage might even find this a turn on.

I can't really say though, I don't really know that many European girls. I'm kinda just guessing.

You raise a good point. Europeans may not have a problem with Asians, but they may not be comfortable around Africans. So it depends on the race we're talking about. So there's no one answer to the poll question.

[FancyFeast5000]

Originally Posted by callmemaybe

Hmmmm, I voted 'they care even more' but it's not exactly what I think. I think a lot of European girls wouldn't date a black guy just because it's not really in their nature, they don't really even see black guys in real life... so they seem kind of mysterious, almost like a novelty. A minority or even a large percentage might even find this a turn on.

I can't really say though, I don't really know that many European girls. I'm kinda just guessing.

My suspicion is that anyone who thinks feminism is just "revisionist history" and who calls women "girls" is not a LIBERAL.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

In areas with a large Asian population, Asians and Whites date. The days of Asians dating Asians has long past. When young people have parents who are immigrants, then the parents try to pressure their kids to date someone of the same nationality, but kids don't follow that. Of all my Asian friends, they're married to non-Asians. The one exception I've noticed is that Tibetans tend to marry within their community, but there are plenty of exceptions to that, as well. Many of the Tibetans are so poor, they actually try to snag an American, for economic security.

It also varies by the Asian group. Japanese Americans tend to have a longer history in the US, and I heard that over half of Japanese Americans marry outside their community, often their race. Sometimes it was a matter of what was available, sometimes the preference had been bred into them. I'm guessing Vietnamese Americans or Indian Americans marry outside to a lesser extent. I have noticed Indian parents seem to make a bigger fuss about marrying a non-Indian, although if that person is culturally American it seems to matter less anyway.

This is pretty random but I recently read the story of the original Siamese twins, Chang and Eng Bunker. They married two local American lasses and actually have a ton of descendants today lol.

[Ruth4Truth]

OK, now you're making more sense. I would tend to agree with this last post.

[SomeBodyUK]

Originally Posted by Cocoricoco

Indians and Pakis here are very Clannish, they do not hang with locals.

Chinese do not relate with locals, and they do not like to marry outside their group. For them marrying some guy from a different race is kind of revolting, in some cases they are shunned from their communities.

The only Chinese you will see surrounded by a Spanish family are adopted girls.

They are respected communities, hard workers and they don't mess things up.

First of Paki is a racist term - try saying that to a South Asian person in the UK to his face and see what happens...

I guess you are in Spain, but it's different in UK. A lot of my British-Indian friends & relatives are married to white women...

As for Chinese -well on the whole white women don't like Chinese men in UK, but every single Chinese woman that I ever worked with out there had a non-Chinese partner.

[Neutre]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

This post is hogwash. The ever-popular Kung Fu films portray Asian males as powerful and sexy. American women hate big-mouthed (loud-mouthed) men. Nobody talks about "big balls, big dix", except in porn. You must spend a fair amount of time looking at porn. And the whole "macho" stereotype is a big joke for women, and most men. Those macho films are mainly for immature adolescent men.

It sounds like you get a lot of your ideas from the media. You should turn your attention to the reality around you. You may get a radically different impression. White women date Asian men. Most Asian men are not only good-looking, they tend to be kind and considerate, so they attract more women than the loud, ego-driven macho White guys you describe. Women who have gone to school or to university with Asian men or who have grown up with them as neighbors know that Asian men are wonderful.

It'd be great if the media had no influence on what we find attractive or not. Unfortunately that is not the case.
I'm not saying that our personal experiences in real life don't count. It is in fact a reason why in Hawaii & the West Coast, areas with higher exposure of Asian males, the stereotypes (that make Asian males less or unattractive) are slightly less effective than among the rest of the general American population. Although the video from San Francisco below would show that even there the prejudice is not completely inexistant.

It'd be great if you can name us five, not even ten, but five Hollywood movies pre-2010 (and post-1970) where an Asian man (not the female) takes the lead, kisses the non-Asian female protagonist, and actually gets together with her.
Of course there were always cases where an Asian man tried it, but he was in a way or another always dismissed. He might even be a real nice guy, but not one you'd date or jump into bed with.

One cannot deny the desexualized portrayal of Asian men in the Anglo media. Of all the great Asian Kung Fu masters, which one of them was actually good enough to get to kiss the White female protagonist? By contrast, in the case of White male heroes and Asian females It'd be unusual to see nothing happening between them.
The near inexistence of Asian males being portrayed (positively) as masculine sexual beings (and their constant portrayals as foreign buffoons, evil villains, nerds who are great at maths but have no social skills) had been so prevalent that it was hard even for at least a generation of AsianAmerican females and gay men to find Asian men sexually attractive.



There's a couple of Asian looking females here, but not a single Asian male. Well one of the guys does look slightly Asian, but he's rather Black, and the portrayals of Black male sexuality in America has been almost the opposite of Asian male.

Originally Posted by Neutre

In the Anglo psyche,
Asian ~ feminine
whilst
Black ~ masculine

It's even reflected in some of the stereotypes, which I need not specify.

Originally Posted by Neutre

The marriage statistics also reflect this.
"
Gender patterns in intermarriage vary widely. About 24% of all black male newlyweds in 2010 married outside their race, compared with just 9% of black female newlyweds. Among Asians, the gender pattern runs the other way. About 36% of Asian female newlyweds married outside their race in 2010, compared with just 17% of Asian male newlyweds.
"

From San Francisco. Granted, it's a bit old (September 2006) and only a few people were involved, but at least they were being frank and what they said did reflect the perception of Asian men in media saturated Anglo societies.

Originally Posted by Inkpoe

I remember reading an article long long ago where they talk about the rarity of Asian (non-hapa) anchormen. They were saying when it comes to anchormen, they should be able to command and field a certain level of respect. Asian men on the other hand aren't in such position to do so from the general public... generally because of their race and their stature (they're normally short and also not intimidating/commanding).

Originally Posted by Neutre

Jeremy Lin (and other Asian Males) got overlooked so much because, just like you described, the general American public associate Asian men with characteristics that are not masculine or American. Taking from your example:
short
not intimidating
unable to command
unable to field a certain level of respect

In another thread we discussed about why Americans think it's okay to make fun of Asians to a level that would be unimaginable towards Blacks.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

This post is hogwash. The ever-popular Kung Fu films portray Asian males as powerful and sexy. American women hate big-mouthed (loud-mouthed) men. Nobody talks about "big balls, big dix", except in porn. You must spend a fair amount of time looking at porn. And the whole "macho" stereotype is a big joke for women, and most men. Those macho films are mainly for immature adolescent men.

It sounds like you get a lot of your ideas from the media. You should turn your attention to the reality around you. You may get a radically different impression. White women date Asian men. Most Asian men are not only good-looking, they tend to be kind and considerate, so they attract more women than the loud, ego-driven macho White guys you describe. Women who have gone to school or to university with Asian men or who have grown up with them as neighbors know that Asian men are wonderful.

I've noticed a lot more IR dating among teens of all combinations. So I think there will be a definite increase.

[Trimac20]

^ Lol yeah those stereotypes do exist. The media is a VERY powerful influence on how people think. If even some Asian women and gay men aren't attracted to Asians that probably says something. You do forget that a lot of people are at least conscious of these stereotypes, and even if in some cases they are generalities, recognise that people are people and individuals not just clone-like members of a group.

[Neutre]

I do recognize that. But comparing tens of millions of American women with tens of millions of European women you can't help but generalize, and Asian men encountering less dissing in Europe is not that surprising if one considers the perception of Asian Males perpetuated in Anglo media* for decades. One really doesn't have to watch porn to be influenced by that.
I doubt most of those AsianAmerican heterosexual females said "I don't date Asians" because they'd watched that much porn.

*Or their practical inexistence. The general perception arose not only through the relatively rare occasions where Asian males appear, but also the portrayals of the cool or hot or sexy guy, the jock, which in 90% of the cases are White, and how they, when representing "diversity", are coupled with an Asian female. Thus putting Asian males out of the picture whereas Asian females, in order to be socially progressive, are supposed to hang out (a.k.a. be together a.k.a. have sex) with a White male.

That's how you end up raising at least a generation of AsianAmerican females (and gay males) who could hardly imagine themselves dating an Asian guy.


Having said that, you are right that people are people and as mentioned, personal experience also strongly shapes one's preference.
There's also an increasing inclusion of Asian males (and Black females with features like dark skin, kinky hair, etc.) being portrayed nonstereotypically in the Anglo media. I don't see that happening in Hollywood anytime soon, but it is perceivable to some extent in commercials, for example.