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Old 04-06-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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There were many more victims of the conflict than Mrs McConville. If people don't let sleeping dogs lie and let the past stay where it belongs, then it may rear it's head again.

The only way forward is by peaceful means so that people like the lady you mention will not have died in vain.




Might be worth remembering it was inequalities that were the cause of the conflict.

Let water gone under the bridge stay gone... if one keeps scratching at an old scar they may well re-open it.
The PSNI have a duty to look in to the disappearance of this woman and to establish if she was in fact killed by paramilitaries or disappeared due to other reasons. It's very easy for you to say let sleeping dogs lie, but her family may well feel differently.

Northern Ireland has it's own elected Assembly and it's own police force who are more than capable of deciding how to proceed in relation to the case of Jean McConville.
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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If there not handed over then it seriously throws in to question our support for the current US war on terror. Why should we be fighting overseas in American led campaigns aimed at preventing terrorism if the Americans aren't interested in supporting our efforts to being terrorists to justice, and why should we be extraditing people to America on Anti-Terrorist Charges, when not one IRA Terrorist Suspect was ever extradited from the US to the UK. If this information is with held then it just shows how one way and shallow the current relationship is. It's bad enough that they aren't supporting us on the Falklands but this would be an even bigger blow, especially at a time when brave British Servicemen are laying down their lives in Afghanistan fighting a war on terror.

As for the documents hurting the peace process, I doubt that very much, and the Northern Irish Assembly and Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) are more than capable of making their own decisions on such matters. Would it be okay if Britain (hypothetically speaking) withheld information relating to terrorist attrocities on US Soil in case they hurt the middle east peace process. Perhaps the UK should be more like the French (or indeed the American themselves) when it comes to dealing with American requests.

judging by the tone of your post , i presume you are all in favour of the british goverment oppening the files on the 1974 dublin and monaghan bombings in which 34 people were killed , it is widely believe that thier was collusion between the loyalists who carried it out and british intelegence , as yet , the british goverment has refused to allow irish officals access to information on the attrocity , surely transparency between nations needs to be absolute when it comes to terrorism
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Old 04-06-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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judging by the tone of your post , i presume you are all in favour of the british goverment oppening the files on the 1974 dublin and monaghan bombings in which 34 people were killed , it is widely believe that thier was collusion between the loyalists who carried it out and british intelegence , as yet , the british goverment has refused to allow irish officals access to information on the attrocity , surely transparency between nations needs to be absolute when it comes to terrorism
The PSNI has a duty to investigate unsolved crimes on behalf of the families of the deceased, and like all police forces can't just close files until they reach a satisfactory conclusion. Northern Ireland has it's own Assembly and it's own police service and can decide it's own approach with regard to cold cases and any possible impact on the peace process.

In the case of Jean McConville no satisfactory explanation has ever been provided and it is only presumed that she was killed by a terrorist organisation.

As for the 1974 Dublin and Monaghan Bombings, I am all for any files being released, and for a possible public inquiry so we can finally establish the facts on behalf of the families of those who died.



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Old 04-06-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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The PSNI have a duty to look in to the disappearance of this woman and to establish if she was in fact killed by paramilitaries or disappeared due to other reasons. It's very easy for you to say let sleeping dogs lie, but her family may well feel differently.

Northern Ireland has it's own elected Assembly and it's own police force who are more than capable of deciding how to proceed in relation to the case of Jean McConville.
So they don't need the assistance you are asking for.

One must wonder why you latch onto the case of only one of 3000+ victims of 'the troubles'.
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Old 04-07-2012, 03:42 AM
 
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So they don't need the assistance you are asking for.

One must wonder why you latch onto the case of only one of 3000+ victims of 'the troubles'.
I haven't latched myself on to one case, this thread was about that case. Other cold cases in NI have also been investigated, it's the PSNI who wish to have the information from Boston College to help their inquires. It makes no difference to my life if the information is handed over to the PSNI, it may make a difference to the womans family though and help offer some closure with regard to the loss of a loved one.
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:59 AM
 
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A US court is expected to rule on whether interviews given by former IRA members can be handed over to the police in the UK. Former IRA member Anthony McIntyre and journalist Ed Moloney argued that the release of the documents could harm the peace process. They also said they could risk the lives of people who gave testimonies. The Belfast Project involved academics, and journalists conducting interviews with former republicans and loyalists about their activities during the Troubles. The police is seeking the transcripts of an interview given by former a IRA member to Boston College. She later gave an interview, in which she said that she had taken part in the Belfast project. She allegedly claimed to have been the person who drove one of the Disappeared, Jean McConville, to her death in 1972. The Disappeared were people abducted, murdered and secretly buried by the IRA.

Do you think these tapes should be handed over?
The emphasis here is on the Provisional IRA, but this project also reputedly intereviewed Loyalists as well. If the crimes of the Loyalist UVF organization and its maverick spinoffs are part of what would be revealed that is even more reason to consider doing so. This Loyalist organization and its spinoffs murdered hundreds of people, a number of them Protestants having nothing to do with the IRA and Catholics having no involvement with the IRA. Like the Provo IRA it degenerated into thuggery and internecine revenge.

If this report would shed light on the crimes commited by the loonier elements of all these organizations across the board, then it sounds like it has merit. Both sides need to examine the merciless extremism of some of their members, and face up to it, and perhaps then each side can begin to see themselves in a more realistic light.
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