Racism in Eastern Europe

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Cocoricoco

Ruth

In the USSR-Russia it was always like that. Before information was spread though Samizdat, now Internet.
As to "blame the Americans", I don't think that Putin invented it. It's called Populism, steal and steal and blame the Americans.

Maybe you didn't understand my post. I said the internet had taken the place of the rumor mill, etc. i lived there, I know how it was.

Sachs knew Russia was different. He'd already had experience in Poland. But he made some crucial errors. When the crisis hit in 1998, no one was blaming the Americans, no one knew the IMF was involved at all. The press was blaming corrupt leaders for taking money out of the country and impoverishing everyone else. I was there at the time. Blaming the West came later.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Too bad Putin stole the vote. (This is in answer to your Q, green_mariner.)

Wow.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Maybe you didn't understand my post. I said the internet had taken the place of the rumor mill, etc. i lived there, I know how it was.

Sachs knew Russia was different. He'd already had experience in Poland. But he made some crucial errors. When the crisis hit in 1998, no one was blaming the Americans, no one knew the IMF was involved at all. The press was blaming corrupt leaders for taking money out of the country and impoverishing everyone else. I was there at the time. Blaming the West came later.

Ruth, there was obviously more than just a "mistake"..

http://www.city-data.com/forum/world...-moscow-7.html


http://www.city-data.com/forum/world...l#post22110330

Of course it all became known much later in time.

( And I've responded in details earlier to Cocoricoco when he was posting under the different nick - "Nobettername" as far as I remember.
He changed the nick and went the second round with the same agenda)))

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by erasure

Ruth, there was obviously more than just a "mistake"..

In his book, The End of Poverty, Sachs devotes a whole chapter to what went wrong. He says it was IMF policies that created the conditions that motivated Russian leadership and tycoons to siphon millions (including IMF aid) out of the country. They made some very big boo-boos. If Moscow is underdeveloped, it has little to do with economic policy in the 90's, and everything to do with 70 years of the Soviet regime. Issues could go back even farther in history, idk. But a few years of misguided aid policy can hardly account for chronic historic underdevelopment.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

In his book, The End of Poverty, Sachs devotes a whole chapter to what went wrong. He says it was IMF policies that created the conditions that motivated Russian leadership and tycoons to siphon millions (including IMF aid) out of the country. They made some very big boo-boos. If Moscow is underdeveloped, it has little to do with economic policy in the 90's, and everything to do with 70 years of the Soviet regime. Issues could go back even farther in history, idk. But a few years of misguided aid policy can hardly account for chronic historic underdevelopment.

What do you mean by "Moscow is underdeveloped?"

Moscow is overdeveloped, half of the country already moved in there; the last thing Moscow needs is development))))

[Cocoricoco]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

In his book, The End of Poverty, Sachs devotes a whole chapter to what went wrong. He says it was IMF policies that created the conditions that motivated Russian leadership and tycoons to siphon millions (including IMF aid) out of the country. They made some very big boo-boos. If Moscow is underdeveloped, it has little to do with economic policy in the 90's, and everything to do with 70 years of the Soviet regime. Issues could go back even farther in history, idk. But a few years of misguided aid policy can hardly account for chronic historic underdevelopment.

Ruth4Truth


Now, radicals are using the 90's as a scarecrow, but it won't work because people have very short memories. If people are much better now, they'll forget about it. They should implement some legislation to ban radicals and factional parties, such as the ones in Germany.

[kyussmondo]

It is a socio-economic problem. Eastern European countries join the Euro, get richer so more people move there. The job market is more competitive internationally so a minority of the poor start blaming the immigrants. In the rich western countries the social attitudes eventually change until it there is an economic downturn and then they go to blaming the immigrants again. They are the easy targets.

The fact is a lot of these immigrants are socially marginalised by the government and police receiving poor education with few job opportunities which ultimately leads to increases in crime by people selling drugs just to make ends meet. People in general think these immigrants are getting state handouts when in reality they receive nothing. The ones that do make it are highly skilled and worked harder than the average westerner to achieve it.

To solve unemployment the governments need to improve education so people have the necessary skills that employers are looking for. It is a wider international problem rather than just blaming immigrants because they are just an easy target from those unemployed or on a low wage.

The governments like people moaning about immigration, because it is an easy quick fix and popular to cap immigration without having to tackle the root of the problem.

[saxonwold]

Russia, Serbia, Croatia are indeed the most racist nations in Europe! I feel sorry for you if you're Black and you live there. You do suffer!

[Thunderbird13]

I've already commented about it in another thread, but I'll say again. Russians are the most racist towards nations that try to "invade" the country, such as North Caucasians (non-slavic), Georgians, Kazakhstani people, etc. About blacks nobody even cares unless they behave themselves in a no good way or are in the dangerous parts of a city (but if you're a tourist you probably won't visit those places, if you're not looking for any adventures, of course). For those blacks who live in Russia is better to escape eye contact and stay in the places you know are safe. But it's just about the same in America, Canada and even worse there, so why do you make it sound so bad about Russia then?