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View Poll Results: Most Beautiful Women in Europe (PICK 6!)
Irish 59 10.17%
Scottish 29 5.00%
English 57 9.83%
Dutch 62 10.69%
Belgian 18 3.10%
French 144 24.83%
Swiss 33 5.69%
German 61 10.52%
Austrian 25 4.31%
Italian 156 26.90%
Spanish 125 21.55%
Portuguese 53 9.14%
Danish 67 11.55%
Norwegian 95 16.38%
Swedish 166 28.62%
Finnish 59 10.17%
Estonian 44 7.59%
Latvian 33 5.69%
Lithuanian 36 6.21%
Polish 85 14.66%
Ukranian 101 17.41%
Czech 110 18.97%
Slovakian 50 8.62%
Hungarian 65 11.21%
Romanian 57 9.83%
Moldovan 25 4.31%
Slovenian 23 3.97%
Croatian 38 6.55%
Bosnian 15 2.59%
Serbian 45 7.76%
Bulgarian 29 5.00%
Albanian 26 4.48%
Macedonian 12 2.07%
Greek 72 12.41%
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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Cocoricoco, Saying " don't have a hundred roubles, а have hundred friends! You this proverb probably never understand. Cultivation of the spirit and the body is the main thing is that we are similar to the Japanese.I feel in You a simple hatred of the Russians. And it's all said!And our education is not connected with communism, we are what is more than 1000 years.Sorry for being rude!Russian (Slavic) peoples were always supportive, hospitable and generous to other people! In this You will see when you ... to Russia and remember my words!

 
Old 05-25-2012, 10:50 AM
 
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Communists tried to produce a man that was only interested in the wellbeing of humanity, a person not interested in hoarding riches, a socially generous man. "The New Man".

The result was just the contrary. They are totally devoided "Bourgeois" morality.
My question wasn't addressed to you, and they didn't need to be "bourgeois" in order to be moral.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 11:54 AM
 
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What does this mean? The "Pretty Woman" character was a prostitute. I'm sure this isn't what you meant to say about Russian women.
Lol no, "Pretty Woman" is not so much about prostitution but a fairy-tale with a happy ending.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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Well, I think what happens in Western countries with the lack of femininity in some women is a kind of rebellion, i personally feel nostalgic when i look at pictures of my grandparents, women with these hairstyles and dresses that fly, i think isn´t just the feminity but the style. Now, we women show too much skin, quite vulgar, missed the mistery, Same for men ¿where are the coast, the hats....? Now they wear shirts too tight for me.

In the USSR, women were raised to be like men, like comrades. There were women sweeping the streets, driving buses and performing any activity. Russians might have been traditionally "machista", but the discourse was on a false equality. So when market economy arrived, women dumped all this "faux equalitarism" and mimmicked very feminine models (barby) from the west.

In Spain it was just the other way around, women were treated during Francoism as borderlines, as people that always were "lesser of age", with no rights. Women were treated as dumb children, as the "rest of the warrior", they always had to be superfeminine and under the control of her father, husband... so when democracy came, Spanish women ditched femininity and mimmicked men.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 12:00 PM
 
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Wait, why isn't Russia on that list? You have got to be kidding me.
Because Davy-040 had personal problems with Russians. Over and over again through his entire life.
Therefore they are not European in Davy's book and they don't deserve to be on the list.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 12:14 PM
 
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In the USSR, women were raised to be like men, like comrades. There were women sweeping the streets, driving buses and performing any activity. Russians might have been traditionally "machista", but the discourse was on a false equality. So when market economy arrived, women dumped all this "faux equalitarism" and mimmicked very feminine models (barby) from the west.
These are more stereotypes. Women in the Soviet period were just as interested in make-up and fashion as Russian women today, make-up was just harder to get back then. You need to make up your mind; were they amoral, godless prostitutes under Communism, or a female version of the New Soviet Man? You're just flinging stereotypes all over the place, even when they contradict each other. Where did you get your "expertise", the CIA Handbook?

You can't compare the women sweeping streets in the USSR to the young women we were discussing. The street sweepers were pensioners making extra money to supplement their pensions. They were elderly women.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 12:24 PM
 
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I am talking about the official Soviet discourse backed by laws: The NEW MAN did not contemplate femininity.

Communism produces amoral people. The New Man is amoral.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 12:25 PM
 
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In the USSR, women were raised to be like men, like comrades. There were women sweeping the streets, driving buses and performing any activity. Russians might have been traditionally "machista", but the discourse was on a false equality. So when market economy arrived, women dumped all this "faux equalitarism" and mimmicked very feminine models (barby) from the west.
You are wrong as usual, because your understanding of Russia/Soviet culture is superficial.
It's one thing what the Soviet system was promoting, and it's another thing what families were traditionally teaching their children at home. So feminine type of women was alive and well in Russia even through Soviet times.
Another thing I'd like to mention that women in Soviet times didn't serve in the Army ( or police ) and didn't play hockey or football, since according to cultural understanding those were traditionally masculine things.
Women were not driving buses or trucks either for the same reason.
However they were working at the factories, at construction sites and they were sweeping streets - that much is true. Soviet state didn't have the welfare, so every woman was required to have a job which was guaranteed for her. This way she was truly emancipated and child bearing didn't change her independence from man, really. I am not saying in any way that women's life under Soviet regime was easy, but true emancipation has price to pay.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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I am talking about the official Soviet discourse backed by laws: The NEW MAN did not contemplate femininity.

Communism produces amoral people. The New Man is amoral.
You are losing your grip on reality more with each post. There was no law against femininity. Where were you during the Soviet period, btw? Did you ever go to Russia to see what it was like? If not, you're disqualified from posting about Russia in any authoritative manner. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Women did drive buses (or trams, anyway). I saw plenty of women transit drivers back then, it's not a big deal. Women in every country I've visited, and in the US as well, drive buses. But young women were not street sweepers, that was a job for pensioners. If there were any exceptions, it would have been for a good reason, such as a person who may have been handicapped in some way, and couldn't do another type of job.
 
Old 05-25-2012, 12:32 PM
 
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I am not talking about "nocive" traditional teachings at home that "poisoned" kids, but teachings created by Makarenko, taught at the Konsommol, Pioneers and the associations that were in charge of creating the New Man. Of course, it was impossible to erradicate "antisocial" behaviour in 70 years.
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