Germany is root cause to the EUropean Crisis.. (rich, culture, speaking)

[cojoncillo]

Oleg...

In fact, the European Union was Hitler's Dream...Of course, their blueprint was not exactly the same that the one envisaged by Merkel, but the zeitgeist is the same.

[tomahawk19]

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[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by cojoncillo

The so-called PIIGS countries is an invention of Financial Times from UK. They forgot to include themselves because if there is a country with no future in Europe, that's the UK. In fact, just four or five years ago, Spain was about to overstep them. They are the future Detroit of Europe, the future rust belt.

Spain had no unemployment because we had a large a large submerged or informal economy. Germany has not always been OK, they drove Europe to destruction and if it weren´t by the US, they would be a Ex-Eastern Bloc Country. In fact, I'm afraid of Merkel, she's from East Germany and overthere they still believe in ol' Addie. She's an Ossie, nothing to do with Germans staticians that built the EEC.

I agree with the American economist Morgenthau and with Goethe. German make good poets, musicians and artisans but should not be let into politics.

Without the EEC, Germany would become a third world country. Just as somebody mentioned, nobody would buy German products with a very high DM, nobody will ask them for loans and they could not sell absolutely anything to Europe. They could not survive without European markets. Spain can survive because Peseta will be so low that we will have 100 million tourists, cheap labour, tax heavens, no regulations and about 20 to 40 percent of our GNP will depend on LatAm markets.

lets not loose the run of ourselves here , germany is not going to become a third world country no matter what happens and it will always be wealthier and more powerfull than spain , as will the uk which while economically not looking good , is the most powerfull european country from a political POV on the global stage

interdependance is the key word in this crisis , greece is only important because the big countries are in hock financially through their banks but germany is unique in that its fiscal possition is diametrically opposed to every other eurozone member , therefore it is the one holding most of the aces , it knows it cannot act beligerantly but it also knows it can make high demands from other countries which need germany to underwrite their debt , germany has a wonderfull opportunity to act with good authority here and it may well do this , time will tell , PR is not something that comes naturally to germany and sofar its immage is one of trenchant demands for austerity combined with a degree of one upmanship , i.e , you partied while germany was in rescession , now its germanys turn to see you struggle


ps , full agree with you about the disgusting PIIGS pseudenom , its an incredibly crass and obnoxiously arrogant term and one which has more than a hint of anti catholicism about it

[itsjustmeagain]

Originally Posted by cojoncillo

They forgot to include themselves because if there is a country with no future in Europe, that's the UK.

Without the EEC, Germany would become a third world country.

Those statements are utterly absurd. And you of course didn't provide any underlying facts to support them.

Spain had no unemployment because we had a large a large submerged or informal economy.

I just provided evidence, that Spain always had high unemployment and always will. Which you conveniently overlooked of course.

Germany has not always been OK, they drove Europe to destruction and if it weren´t by the US, they would be a Ex-Eastern Bloc Country. In fact, I'm afraid of Merkel, she's from East Germany and overthere they still believe in ol' Addie. She's an Ossie, nothing to do with Germans staticians that built the EEC.

Just love the inferior complex towards Germany.

Just as somebody mentioned, nobody would buy German products with a very high DM, nobody will ask them for loans and they could not sell absolutely anything to Europe. They could not survive without European markets. Spain can survive because Peseta will be so low that we will have 100 million tourists, cheap labour, tax heavens, no regulations and about 20 to 40 percent of our GNP will depend on LatAm markets.

Germany exported the most goods and services, before they joined the Euro. They will export them if they would leave the Euro. Just like Scandinavian countries export a lot to Europe.

[itsjustmeagain]

Originally Posted by cojoncillo

Oleg...

In fact, the European Union was Hitler's Dream...Of course, their blueprint was not exactly the same that the one envisaged by Merkel, but the zeitgeist is the same.

Sorry, but this is not a Stormfront Forum.

[cojoncillo]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

if the euro collapsed and each country went back to their old currency , the german mark would make the swiss franc look like the old italian lira , german exports would be unaffordable , germany needs italy ,spain and ireland to weigh down the value of the euro , thats one of the reasons they were so in favour of it , thats one problem , another problem is the german banks are in deep all around europe , if the euro goes , banks will collapse across europe and german money with them , what consulation is it to germany that even they take a massive hit , every other nation does to , the nuclear button might be all greece has but germany has options more preferable

Agree.

But just one thing, Germany is more integrated into the EU and the Eurozone, they don't remember and they don't know how to walk alone. On the other hand, Spain still remembers when the country was alone and treated like scum by countries such as France, many people still remember when we were blockaded and boicotted until the US decided to help us in 1959. Many remember how we went from a starving nation in the 40's and early 50's to the tenth industrial power in the world in 1975 (with no democracy, no taxes, minimum bureaucracy and a very low peseta).

Spain will overcome the eventual destruction of the Eurozone and the EEC, more so, Spain and Portugal are more of a continent by themselves than part of Europe.

[itsjustmeagain]

Originally Posted by bailarina

Translate the cost of a mortgage (in euros) to pesetas.

That sure would be a lot of pain. One reason the Greeks don't want to leave the Euro. If they think they are in austerity hell now, they have seen nothing yet.

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by Oleg Bach

GERMANS by their cultural nature are a controlling and dominating bunch..If you try to control something beautiful like the flower of Greece..You end up crushing the bloom- Germans expect everyone to think German. This is the problem with the attempted blending of cultures that is the EU- different national families think differently...so what if Greeks want to live a carefree life- They existed just fine prior the EU..and they will still exist once this belated Nazi dream ends.

posts like the above do not help

greece can leave if it really wants to , the reality is that the middle class in the western world are a cheap date , they value comforts above all , nationalism is dead in europe compared to the likes of the usa or even the uk , the british are different and fair play to them

i want ireland to leave the euro but irish people value money above all ( including soverignty ) and gave a further vote of support to a federalised europe last thursday , we may end up poorer in the long run if being part of a european superstate means surrendering vital competitive advantaged like our rock bottom corporation tax but we cant say we werent warned

i voted NO

[irish_bob]

Originally Posted by itsjustmeagain

Those statements are utterly absurd. And you of course didn't provide any underlying facts to support them.


I just provided evidence, that Spain always had high unemployment and always will. Which you conveniently overlooked of course.



Just love the inferior complex towards Germany.




Germany exported the most goods and services, before they joined the Euro. They will export them if they would leave the Euro. Just like Scandinavian countries export a lot to Europe.

germany would probabley loose a sizeable chunk of the export market to italy were the euro to cease , italy has a long established manufacturing base which has declined in recent years , reintroducing the lira would boost their competitivness , germany as many have pointed out would suffer competitivley in the event of the DM having to be reintroduced

[itsjustmeagain]

Originally Posted by irish_bob

as will the uk which while economically not looking good , is the most powerfull european country from a political POV on the global stage

The UK is just our lapdog. No, global political power whatsoever.

Germany is the biggest, most powerful force in Europe. Then France, then UK.