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Old 06-22-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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Germany doesn't have the capability and doesn't want to have that capability. Besides, having a temporary seat at the UNSC doesn't mean a country wants to have a permanent one. Togo and Morocco currently have a temporary seat as well. Do you really believe they aspire to a permanent one?
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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Of course not, but Germany is in a different ballpark to those countries.

Anyway Germany has a pretty big land army and air force.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:04 PM
 
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Germany is an economic power in Europe but outside of Europe Germany is not a powerful nation, which is why they will ultimately fail to get a permanent seat on the UNSC (even though I'd like them to).

Britain and France are the two big military powers in Europe, and Germany shouldn't forget it.
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Germany has the money and resources to have a military power as big Britain or France. For many years they were banned from doing so and now they are simply against all things military. I don't think Germany cares to get a permanent sit on the UNSC, they choose to stay out of those affairs.

The same thing happens with Japan.

First of all, they already do.

Secondly:

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Germany was to limit its combined armed forces to no more than 370,000 personnel, no more than 345,000 of whom were to be in the Army and the Air Force. Germany also reaffirmed its renunciation of the manufacture, possession of, and control over nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons, and in particular, that the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty would continue to apply in full to the unified Germany (the Federal Republic of Germany).
Thirdly, they are very anti-war.


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Germany doesn't really want to go invading nations, but then again it doesn't have the capability to do so in the first place. Only three countries in the world can project power to far flung places in the world: the US, the UK and France.
Yes, NO, NO. LOL?!

See above.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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First of all, they already do.


Yes, NO, NO. LOL?!
They don't.

YES, YES, YES, no matter how much it hurts the American pride. Both Britain and France could blow up the planet several times, I'm sorry.
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:41 AM
 
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Germany has the money and resources to have a military power as big Britain or France. For many years they were banned from doing so and now they are simply against all things military. I don't think Germany cares to get a permanent sit on the UNSC, they choose to stay out of those affairs.

The same thing happens with Japan.

Germany, and Japan, used as excuse their past not to spend in weaponry and defense. For them, it was cheaper to let the Americans assume their defense.

Of course, hadn't been by Americans spending money on bases, Berlin and preventing the occupation of entire Germany, modern day Germany would not exist, even less a unified Germany.

In fact, EEC would not exist. Even now, the American President is the "last resort" (luckily) in the European crisis.
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:51 AM
 
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Comparing French forced labour to Spaniards who voluntarily work in Germany is an insult to anybody who was used for forced labour.

You keep on stirring by reducing Germany and the Germans to a period of 12 years of Nazi dictatorship. These years are long gone.

What's the difference? When Spanish went to work in Germany during the 60's, they were placed on the same unhealthy barracks used for forced labourers from all Europe during the war (millions died).

I don't think that Germans have changed a bit. I'm with Goethe. He said that Germans are good musicians, poets, good in science and virtous, but should not occupy any responsible political position. Germans are "half-cooked", just like Latins and Slavs. Anglo Saxons are more responsible from a political standpoint. Hitler said that English and Americans had criteria and Germans were sheep....he certainly knew Germans.
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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Germany is an economic power in Europe but outside of Europe Germany is not a powerful nation, which is why they will ultimately fail to get a permanent seat on the UNSC (even though I'd like them to).

Britain and France are the two big military powers in Europe, and Germany shouldn't forget it.
germany pursues a different path than france or the uk in global terms , for historic reasons , germany has punched below its weight politically this past several decades

france and especially the uk on the other hand have a disproportionatley large political influence globally , it makes little sense for either nation to have a permanent seat on the UN security council anymore , especially france
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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No, Germany does want to be a permanent member which is why they currently have a temporary seat on the UNSC.

Germany doesn't really want to go invading nations, but then again it doesn't have the capability to do so in the first place. Only three countries in the world can project power to far flung places in the world: the US, the UK and France.
france cant to any meaningfull degree and the uk hitches a lift with the usa which gives the impression of military might , israel is a bigger military power than the uk when you look at it that way as israel is a closer ally to the usa than the uk
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Old 06-23-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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Germany, and Japan, used as excuse their past not to spend in weaponry and defense. For them, it was cheaper to let the Americans assume their defense.
And that is perfectly okay. It's smart on their part.
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Old 06-23-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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They don't.

YES, YES, YES, no matter how much it hurts the American pride. Both Britain and France could blow up the planet several times, I'm sorry.
By "planet", you mean this?

http://www.murrayhudson.com/antique_globes/10303g.jpg

No,they can't. Look at the numbers. And if you say Germany can't, then the U.K. and France can't do it, either. The U.K. has even less manpower than Germany. This has nothing to do with "American pride". It's simply a fact. You need the resources. It's as simple as that.
I'm really wondering who shipped supplies en masse ( among other things) to the U.K. to support their war effort and liberated France..



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What's the difference? When Spanish went to work in Germany during the 60's, they were placed on the same unhealthy barracks used for forced labourers from all Europe during the war (millions died).

I don't think that Germans have changed a bit. I'm with Goethe. He said that Germans are good musicians, poets, good in science and virtous, but should not occupy any responsible political position. Germans are "half-cooked", just like Latins and Slavs. Anglo Saxons are more responsible from a political standpoint. Hitler said that English and Americans had criteria and Germans were sheep....he certainly knew Germans.
You love to dish out, it seems. But as much as you don't like them, it's the Spaniards who depend on them, it's the Spaniards who move there for works, it's the Spaniards who have an unemployment rate 20%() higher than Germany, and it's the Spaniards who are broke. And, le'ts not forget it's the Spaniards who are on the brink of collapse. I don't think you're in a position to dish out, especially a lot of made-up claims.
I don't know why you're so bitter. Looks like your bitterness stems from things they did before you were even born. Or some before even Spain existed...
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