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07-27-2012, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by russiaonline
That's a terrible, terrible BS. 
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As all the lies you are spreading here. 
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07-27-2012, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GreyKarast
I can say that in Russia there is no confidence in the Western media, and their information.
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In order to trust or distrust Western media, one has to read it all, not just the snippets offered by Russian internet. Just saying.
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We in Russia know much more about the Western world than you think and what you know about Russia.
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But this knowledge might not be all that accurate. Just saying.
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Secondly I have not talked about the history of Italian mafia, I told about the origin of this term and the mafia different from simple violators of the law. Perhaps you I badly understand because of my English I'm Sorry
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Grey Karast, I've used the word "mafia" in broader sense, the way it's traditionally used in Russian language.
If a group of people pockets national resources and the same people create the laws, aimed at protection of their wealth and political interests, maiming and killing those who dare to argue (I'm talking Politkovskaya, Magnitsky, Beketov - the list can go on,) it's quite fitting in definition of mafia Russian style.
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07-27-2012, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth
Having friends in the CIA or FBI would have no relevance at all to any bureaucratic dealings in the US.
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Oh, but they have the new trend there lately, saying that capitalist Russia is not all that different from any other Western country. Putin himself in particular, ( when accused of wrongdoings) loves to point his finger at the West, saying "look how it's done over there, in the West," meaning "I am not that different." 
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07-27-2012, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by elnina
I guess, it is a good move in order to improve the development of the metropolitan area, and reduce congestion in the city center. The new land around Moscow will be used for residential construction and improve living standards and decongest the capital’s overcrowded roads. I heard that there was a plan to relocate the headquarters of state officials outside the capital.
Municipal annexation is also done in the US and other countries. Annexation helps ensure consistent and unified level of urban service.
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Elnina... Moscow is not like any American city, that needs expansion because of booming economy. Or rather Moscow does have a *booming economy,* but for all the wrong reasons. Half of the country is running there from economically-depressive regions ( which is pretty much the rest of the country - oil/metals -rich regions) plus tonnes of Central Asians looking for jobs, which they get for nominal payment so to speak.
That's how ( and why) the old European city is turning into some "megalopolis" monster, when the rest of the country severely underdeveloped.
You know, when the ecologists in Moscow were trying to protest in Moscow against over development, protecting Khimky forest from destruction, the rest of the country could barely relate to their problem.
There is a reason why a lot of Russians would love to see capital moved somewhere in the middle of the country, away from Moscow. "May be then," people say, "the government will start paying attention to the rest of the country and what state it is in."
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07-27-2012, 06:24 PM
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Location: Kamchatka, Russia
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erasure,In actual fact the word mafia in Russia almost did not use
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07-27-2012, 06:39 PM
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erasure,I agree, Moscow behaves as a separate state in the state and Muscovites consider themselves above all the other people is disgusting. Money from other regions of the leave or abroad or in Moscow, instead of leaving in the region and develop them.
Ruth4Truth,Speaking about the FSB-Yes this is the service of security, but they belong to the state.-services and subject only to the President, because they are in close proximity with other officials, if there are friends, etc, then they can solve questions in circumvention of the bureaucracy. This applies to any state.-officials regardless of their nearby are activities. Here and operates a Russian proverb, do not have a hundred roubles, and have hundred friends
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07-27-2012, 06:46 PM
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erasure,In actual fact the word mafia in Russia almost did not use
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I use it on Russian forum quite often and no one questions it, since the majority of people there are older than you. 
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07-27-2012, 06:54 PM
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erasure,I agree, Moscow behaves as a separate state in the state and Muscovites consider themselves above all the other people is disgusting. Money from other regions of the leave or abroad or in Moscow, instead of leaving in the region and develop them.
Ruth4Truth,Speaking about the FSB-Yes this is the service of security, but they belong to the state.-services and subject only to the President, because they are in close proximity with other officials, if there are friends, etc, then they can solve questions in circumvention of the bureaucracy. This applies to any state.-officials regardless of their nearby are activities.
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What "any state?"  I understand perfectly well what you are saying about Russia, but things ARE NOT working like that in "any state," I assure you. That's why Ruth told you that having friends in FBI/CIA wouldn't help with bureaucratic dealings at all in the US.
Anglo-Saxon culture is very different from Russian culture, Grey Karast; it doesn't work as "someone knows someone somewhere" on a certain level; in this respect Russians are closer to "Southerners;" Italians, Spaniards ( I would guess) Mexicans.
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07-27-2012, 07:05 PM
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Location: Kamchatka, Russia
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I use it on Russian forum quite often and no one questions it, since the majority of people there are older than you. 
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This is more suitable to the 90-th years 
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07-27-2012, 07:09 PM
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Location: Kamchatka, Russia
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Originally Posted by erasure
What "any state?"  I understand perfectly well what you are saying about Russia, but things ARE NOT working like that in "any state," I assure you. That's why Ruth told you that having friends in FBI/CIA wouldn't help with bureaucratic dealings at all in the US.
Anglo-Saxon culture is very different from Russian culture, Grey Karast; it doesn't work as "someone knows someone somewhere" on a certain level; in this respect Russians are closer to "Southerners;" Italians, Spaniards ( I would guess) Mexicans.
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I said that friends are friends, I'd think you understand what I mean. With regard to Moscow she lives her life, as a separate part of, the other state, but is fed at the expense of the rest of the country, but there are other regions which need to draw their attention
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