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The original inhabitants of the British Isles were darker. Think Sean Connery, John rhys-davies, etc. Also, Celtic was a culture, not a genetype or phenotype. There are many websites where you can learn more information on these things if you search. Good luck to you.
No, they were not. There is no specific scientific proof of that, only theories or speculations. It also depends what is meant by dark? A lot of people say Wales. Well, the Welsh by the recent studies done eye colors and red hair frequencies by the ScottishDNA Project, show that Wales is as blue-eyed as most of England not much of a difference, definitely not less blue-eyed and shows a higher frequency of red hair than England as a whole. The Welsh (specifically the North Welsh) are according to the POBI Project, the closest genetically to the first inhabitants of the British Isles. Thus I wouldn't call them dark.
The original inhabitants of the British Isles were darker. Think Sean Connery, John rhys-davies, etc. Also, Celtic was a culture, not a genetype or phenotype. There are many websites where you can learn more information on these things if you search. Good luck to you.
Since there is no true evidence that the original inhabitants of the British were dark, let us not speculate it.
Sean Connery is of Celtic descent (Scottish with Irish admixture), he has brown eyes and dark brown hair. The majority of Irish and Scottish have blue or green eyes (at least half have blue eyes!) and usually various shades of brown hair.
Dirk Bauermann, former Germany's basketball coach is of Germanic descent, he has brown eyes and dark brown (before greying) hair as well. So is he less Germanic?
Superb Waviking, Just what I was thinking! Sean Connery, James Nesbitt, The Hound from ( Game of thrones!!) Kit Harrington, Graeme Souness, Aiden ( Poldark)... memory bad, the Gallagher Brothers, the list goes on, Alan Hansen, John Wark, all dark, hairy Brits with Blue or Brown eyes. I don't work with any blondes, apart from Poles. England is a modern concept on British soil. Two kingdoms, Britain and Hibernia ( **** Scotland, Wales, N Ireland and England)
Let me guess, you are also a dark, hairy, blue/brown eyed Brit?
Since there is no true evidence that the original inhabitants of the British were dark, let us not speculate it.
Sean Connery is of Celtic descent (Scottish with Irish admixture), he has brown eyes and dark brown hair. The majority of Irish and Scottish have blue or green eyes (at least half have blue eyes!) and usually various shades of brown hair.
Dirk Bauermann, former Germany's basketball coach is of Germanic descent, he has brown eyes and dark brown (before greying) hair as well. So is he less Germanic?
Famke Janssen is a Dutch actress of Frisian descent (Obviously Germanic). She has brown eyes and brown hair. Is she less Germanic too?
Caesar said the Welsh resembled the Iberians, the Britons the Belgians, and the Picts from modern Scotland the Scandinavians. These were likely less generalizations on a whole and more based on fequency of individuals. In other words today the Welsh don't overall look like the Portuguese, but a larger number of them do compared to England or Scotland. Today, more Scots look Scandinavian than the Welsh do, and by the account of Caesar, it was the same way over 2000 years ago.
By the time of the Roman occupation, Britain had already gone through a major population replacement during the Bronze Age. Indo-European R1b warriors would have slaughtered most of the male stock but a few survived. I agree it's only speculation to "factually" describe these earlier people physically, and that would mostly be based on fantasy folklore. At one time a similar human stock would have lived across much of northern Europe after the Ice Age. http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/conten...ogroup-I2b.gif
R1b brought the proto-Celto/Germanic language and culture from the east probably using modern day Germany as as an intersection to settle the rest of Northern and Western Europe. Either way by the time of the 5th and 6th century invasions, there was likely not as much of a racial divide as many here like to ponder. There would have many a Famke Janssen Anglo-Saxon settler neighboring with a Nicole Kidman or Alison Doody type of Celt. They weren't races apart as many like to think the Britons were a more swarthy Mediterranean type before the Nordic Saxons and Vikings came along. But even modern genetics have shown that the Celtic populations of the British Isle are the most diverse people there. The difference between northern Wales and the south is greater than the Scots are to the English.
Stop the foolish nonsense! Yes, every single person knows that we are all humans and obviously we all share a distant common ancestry which came from the first group or groups of humans. This doesn't make you a Nigerian or an Ethiopian in the sense we are speaking, because at that time we could not speak of a Briton/German/Swiss/Nigerian. You are being highly ridiculous, refusing to accept that every country on the face of the earth, has its indigenous people The history of the indigenous people of the British Isles is much younger, they are the descendants of humans who lived in Europe for a very long time and changed and adapted to European climate and developed physical features such as a paler skin (also known as white skin), and lighter hair colors such as brown, blonde, red(like mine) shades and lighter eye colors (blue, green, gray, hazel) which were much less common among the humans who lived outside of Europe like in Africa for example. These people (indigenous Europeans) came to the British Isles, through neighboring lands which we call in our modern times, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, France. The vast majority of Britons have the DNA of these people, in areas of Britain which received less Germanic infusions (Anglo-Saxons + Vikings), we see much more of the DNA of those indigenous people who came to Britain just 11,000 years ago after the Ice Age. The majority of Britons can be traced to the indigenous people who came from Europe. This is still visible in the genetics after studying various British groups from throughout the islands. You are trying to say that recent immigrants from outside of Europe are indigenous to Britain? Come on get real here? You are just a confused person, I am well aware of the non-European immigrants found throughout Europe and especially Northern, Western, Central Europe which are wealthier countries. This doesn't make them indigenous to those lands. There are French, Germans, Brits, etc... of mixed racial ancestry, this doesn't make them indigenous. As a whole the White British population still reflect the genetic patterns of invasions that was done by two principal groups Celtic and Germanic, in the west where Celtic speech lasted longer, we see a greater diversity while in the east especially central, southern,eastern England. It is more homogenous where the Germanic people came and settled and intermingled with their conquered Celtic serfs and imposed Germanic culture to this day. Red hair in genetic studies, also shows to be more common in the lands where Celtic speech persisted the most, like in Wales for example. Now I don't care about skin colour, it is only a mere sign of adaptation to a certain climate and also is linked to diet as well. However I like to state facts.
I asked you to give me one fact that you haven't. I want you to work out EXACTLY how many direct ancestors you have going back 20 generations ie 1 generation = 2 (mother & father), 2 generations = 4 (grandparents), 3 generations = 8 (great grandparents) etc, come back to me when you have your answer.
I still remember those Ladybird books, ( yes I am in my 40`s) and I remember one about King William and King Harold. All the Saxons, had long gold, flowing hair and the nasty Normans ( weren't they French/Viking) had short, dark cropped hair. And I thought there was nobody in my class, school ( SE England) who had fair/gold hair, so who were these mysterious Saxons? And there was a culture of looking down on the Welsh and Irish. Even King Arthur ( A proper British legend) was suddenly English. Thank god for DNA. ( Can Saxonwold google, Jurgen Klinsmann and see how English he looks.
By the way, Anglo-Saxons who a were Germanic people, could have also looked like any of these Dutch well-known people. Not all Saxons were very blonde-haired as the "typical image", others were could have been brown or even dark-haired too. Over-all, though there was a higher frequency of people with light hair/light eyes than populations living south of them. Like the Dutch and northern Germans of today are. If an Englishman has dark hair, this doesn't automatically make him non-Germanic, he could show more "Germanic-like" genes than a fair-haired one and so forth.
The "typical" Germanic (which includes also the Anglo-Saxons) are described as fair-haired and blue-eyed. This is said so, only because those traits were more common amongst them than most other European groups. Anglo-Saxons were described by Pope Gregory I as a very fair-complected people, but that was in comparison to what he was acquainted with, down there in the Mediterranean. This doesn't make all Germanic people blondes!
Your photos at 11.03 don't resemble any Brits that I know, dark hair, or not. By the way, there are fair haired Brits
no-one denies that. The women looks like a certain Ms Frankenburg
Your photos at 11.03 don't resemble any Brits that I know, dark hair, or not. By the way, there are fair haired Brits
no-one denies that. The women looks like a certain Ms Frankenburg
You're being irrelevant right now. Firstly you were giving excuses that how "dark" the Brits were, now that I have shown dark-haired Dutch and Germans. You are saying that there are no Brits who look like them. Do you look like every person who has British ancestry and has dark hair? I don't think so. Use your words wisely next time.
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