Ethnogenesis of the Russians? (theory, percentage, genetics, haplogroup)

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by russiaonline

The great argument for Ukrainians and Belorussians are Russians:


Genetic closeness of European people. Red - Russians, green - Ukrainians, blue - Poles, light blue - Finns.

Is that from analysis of haplogroups of both Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA or just one of the two?

[russiaonline]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Is that from analysis of haplogroups of both Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA or just one of the two?

MDS Plot of the Y Chromosomal Variation, Grouping Regional Subpopulations and Averaged Ethnical Populations of Europe

Here's the source in English, with more info:

ScienceDirect.com - The American Journal of Human Genetics - Two Sources of the Russian Patrilineal Heritage in Their Eurasian Context

[Ruth4Truth]

Notice that on the chart, there are several groupings of Russians. North Russians are closer to Finns, meaning they have the Finno-Ugrian N3 marker. Southern Russians are, as would be expected, closer to Ukrainians. Notice, also, that Ukrainians range from clusters among Poles, to southern Russians, and an independent cluster, U4. I think some of this can be explained by something that was posted on an earlier thread, which is that Western Ukrainians (and their language) is closely related to Poles/Polish, while Eastern Ukrainians and their language are much closer to Russian. What U4 on the chart represents, I can't begin to guess. Too bad the chart doesn't show Balts. They would be closer to Finns, since they have a bit more of the Finno-Ugrian F3 than northern Russians do.

[Ruth4Truth]

1) article that discusses the R1a marker (& others) among Slavs, south & west: South Slavs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2) article on Russian Y-chromosome analysis: Two Sources of the Russian Patrilineal Heritage in Their Eurasian Context
3) evolution of Indo-European langs: Indo-European languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Indo-European languages were spread by "Kurgan" peoples, i.e. proto-Scythians & Scythians Balto-Slavic was the first Indo-Euro lang. family in Europe to branch off from Indo-Iranian.

[russiaonline]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

North Russians are closer to Finns, meaning they have the Finno-Ugrian N3 marker.

No wonder, since they are half Russians, half Finns.

Western Ukrainians (and their language) is closely related to Poles/Polish, while Eastern Ukrainians and their language are much closer to Russian.

Except that:

1. Only a small minority of Ukrainians are there.
2. A lot of Russians are just as close to Poles as those Ukrainians.

And, of course, genetically those are all one people. Culturally Poles (but not Ukrainians) are different.

What U4 on the chart represents, I can't begin to guess.

German blood.

Too bad the chart doesn't show Balts. They would be closer to Finns, since they have a bit more of the Finno-Ugrian F3 than northern Russians do.

Latvians and Lithuanians would be where northern Russians are:

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[russiaonline]

Take this chart for what it is - an estimate of a genetic makeup, based on a bunch of limited samples. If all people were tested, then there would be a big red circle, with relatively thin extensions to Finns and Germans.

[Ruth4Truth]

Actually, I did find a similar chart that included the Balts, they extended below the Polish cluster, for some reason.

[russiaonline]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Actually, I did find a similar chart that included the Balts, they extended below the Polish cluster, for some reason.

Most may be Russian-Finnish, but there're always minorities, who can be anything. Just like there're Russians, who are genetically close to Germans (millions of Germans became Soviets after WW2).

[Xeelee12]

1. Not Nordic. And Kievan Rus was founded by Russians. Maybe legendary Rurik, its first ruler, was a Viking - but not Russians (called Slavic at that time) themselves.

The word "Russia" comes from Rus which is of Scandinavian origin. "Ro" means "row". The Swedish region northeast of Stockholm is still called "Roslagen", meaning "the rowing teams".

[russiaonline]

Originally Posted by Xeelee12

The word "Russia" comes from Rus which is of Scandinavian origin.

The origin of the word is irrelevant.