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Erasure, I've heard quite a different story - some kid at school pushed a "Russian" kid, who was hurt a bit. The school claimed that he was hurt at home - that parents beat him. The social service immediately took the kid away, not allowing parents to see him.
One family fought hard to be able to see their kid, and, once allowed, fled to Russia, seeking assylum. They were probably tired living in a big nice house, and dreamed about a small studio apartment.
Erasure, I've heard quite a different story - some kid at school pushed a "Russian" kid, who was hurt a bit.
"Hurt a bit?"
Oh yeah?
That's what you call it?
"A Russian woman claimed Finnish authorities took her four children, including an infant, after falsely accusing her family of child abuse. The traumatized family will be apart for at least six months, while awaiting a court hearing.
*Anastasia Zavgorodnyaya, a 29-year-old Russian-born resident of Vantaa, Finland, and her husband said that they were shocked when their children – aged between one week and six years old – were taken into state custody and put in a foster home.
In late August, Zavgorodnyaya's oldest daughter Veronika was injured at school, she said in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta. The girl's head struck a wall when she was allegedly pushed by older boys; a teacher witnessed the incident and escorted her to bathroom after Veronika became dizzy, and then helped her to a sofa.
The head trauma caused a concussion, a medical examination later revealed.
Zavgorodnaya is married to Ehab Ahmed Zaki Ahmed, a Sudanese national who has lived in Finland for 18 years. They took Veronika to a hospital in Helsinki after the girl’s speech became impaired from the injury..."
Now let me tell ya something...
When my son has scraped his knee in the US school on the playground, I've received five calls from five different teachers, trying to assure me that "Andy is OK, but we needed to take him to a nurse."
They kept on calling me throughout the day, giving me updates on his vital signs; by the time he made it home, I've had five "incident reports" to sign, ( the only thing that was missing was probably big pictures of the deadly wound in color,) so by the time I was done, I was ready to strangle Andy that he wouldn't be hanging on the playground upside down next time scratching his knee. As for his deadly wound - it has been neatly covered with two strips of band-aid; so my point is, that if someone's head is ramming through the wall in Finnish school, such thing doesn't go unnoticed, particularly if it's some younger girl, "pushed by older boys."
Erm sorry, I don't quite trust such story, there is something fishy going on.
If it was a single case - it could be dismissed. But there are more. And Russian federal government is active on the case - which means something too.
About 2000 of these cases each year, most of which end up in administrative court (per law, if the parent or a custodian opposes a custody decision, it will be a court case), this counting all citizens and foreign nationals living in Finland.
Nothing fishy about the case, she's abviously given her take of the story out. That's the only information available on the case right now, per the constitution social services are not allowed to comment on cases or release them to the public. Once a decision is reached in the administrative court, it becomes a public document.
What i find very surprising is that the prime minister of 143 million people, and the worlds largest country by area, has the time to push aside all his duties to review the story of some mother living in a small country, a story obviously representing just one half of a case, and immedieately announce in public how Finland has now became a hostile country for immigrant families. Maybe there is indeed something i just don't understand about the russian mindset, maybe indeed a "act now, think 6 months later", or a "don't bother with facts, hearsay and stereotypes are better"-culture exists and runs deep in to the roots of the society. Here, official conclusions into whether our social services have a problem or not, are drawn after a court decision, when all the information from both sides of the coin becomes available for review.
If someone is not comfortable with the fact that our administration and public services are not run by people with the rational and logical abilities equivalent of a 4th grader, then in that case indeed this is not the place to be for that person.
About 2000 of these cases each year, most of which end up in administrative court (per law, if the parent or a custodian opposes a custody decision, it will be a court case), this counting all citizens and foreign nationals living in Finland.
Nothing fishy about the case, she's abviously given her take of the story out. That's the only information available on the case right now, per the constitution social services are not allowed to comment on cases or release them to the public. Once a decision is reached in the administrative court, it becomes a public document.
What i find very surprising is that the prime minister of 143 million people, and the worlds largest country by area, has the time to push aside all his duties to review the story of some mother living in a small country, a story obviously representing just one half of a case, and immedieately announce in public how Finland has now became a hostile country for immigrant families. Maybe there is indeed something i just don't understand about the russian mindset, maybe indeed a "act now, think 6 months later", or a "don't bother with facts, hearsay and stereotypes are better"-culture exists and runs deep in to the roots of the society. Here, official conclusions into whether our social services have a problem or not, are drawn after a court decision, when all the information from both sides of the coin becomes available for review.
Of course there is something fishy about the story; your child flies into the wall, receives the concussion, the teacher "helps the child to a sofa," yet no teacher to be found to confirm the incident.
As for the "world's largest country in the area" - what's there is not to understand?
Russian government has spent millions on Western advertising companies to learn how to "improve Russia's image." One of the ways to "improve Russia's image," is to put someone else down.
Finland is not the only country on Russian radar for this matter; another case I saw recently, describing the "terrible treatment of Russian citizens" was in Canada.
Of course there is something fishy about the story; your child flies into the wall, receives the concussion, the teacher "helps the child to a sofa," yet no teacher to be found to confirm the incident.
As for the "world's largest country in the area" - what's there is not to understand?
Russian government has spent millions on Western advertising companies to learn how to "improve Russia's image." One of the ways to "improve Russia's image," is to put someone else down.
Finland is not the only country on Russian radar for this matter; another case I saw recently, describing the "terrible treatment of Russian citizens" was in Canada.
The municipality who's division of social services the resident(s) falls under, are responsible for the full cost of a state custody. It's always a last resort in any situation, since the associated costs are obviously high, possibly lasting until the child turns 18, and there are a limited amount of facilities available to house minors in state custody.
I do have to admit, if i was administering country X, which suffered from many inner problems and a poor public image, as well as an outflux of young people and families, such advertising methods would indeed be worth a try, even if they'd appear very desperate to the outside world. I'd absolutely need to hire guerrilla propagandists to fill the internet too, since that is where most of the information flows in this day and age, and it's the best place to reach people on a grassroots level.
Maybe there is indeed something i just don't understand about the russian mindset
It's all simple - a number of such cases in short succession, multiplied by the unpopular attempt to bring a Juvenile Justice in Russia, has caused a media outcry. People became angry. And government is unhappy when people are angry.
Finland is not the only country on Russian radar for this matter; another case I saw recently, describing the "terrible treatment of Russian citizens" was in Canada.
US is the most popular target - especially when yankees murder some kids, adopted in Russia.
Your conspiracy theory is ridiculous, because the government has nothing to do with such outrages.
It's all simple - a number of such cases in short succession, multiplied by the unpopular attempt to bring a Juvenile Justice in Russia, has caused a media outcry.
I don't get it - and WHO is bringing the said Juvenile Justice in Russia if not the Russian government?
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People became angry. And government is unhappy when people are angry.
But it's the Russian government that makes people unhappy and angry - what it has got to do with Finns???
PS. I'm honestly becoming a bigger fan of the Soviet system when it comes to upbringing of children)))
There was no insanity there in that respect, just a lot of common sense...
It's all simple - a number of such cases in short succession, multiplied by the unpopular attempt to bring a Juvenile Justice in Russia, has caused a media outcry. People became angry. And government is unhappy when people are angry.
What were the numbers quoted again.. 49 russians out of over 10,000 minors currently in state custody + 17,000 in foster families Considering the amount of russian families here, that's very low.
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