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Old 09-19-2012, 06:30 PM
 
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The title is definitely correct, but the article itself is a stupid piece of propaganda. It's not much harder to make US #1 by cherry picking stats.
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Old 09-19-2012, 07:38 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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So, because an European wrote it, we automatically discredit it? What about articles written by Americans about the USA?
Following that logic, we should never believe American media ...

BTW: the article is about a developed countries, not about paradise in Amazon...
Well, I definitely think we shouldn't believe articles written by Americans that say America is the best, or a paradise, or whatever.

The thread title and article title say "Europe is the Closest Thing to Paradise on Earth", not "...the Closest Thing To Paradise in the Developed World". Oh well. As far as standard of living and the safety net and retirement and health benefits are concerned, I suppose they're right.
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Old 09-20-2012, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Airstrip 1, Oceania
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Did any of you read the article all the way through? It's author is Nigerian: neither European nor white.
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Old 09-20-2012, 05:04 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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The general conclusion in the article is that the US beats Europe for a narrow set of categories of people, namely the enterpreneurial and the rich. But if you don't happen to fall into those specific categories, life is significantly better in Europe, based on a variety of factors and considerations.
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As far as standard of living and the safety net and retirement and health benefits are concerned, I suppose they're right.
Actually we engaged in an EU/US comparison thread here not so long ago.

And guess what, the general conclusion was that the US is better for those with their own businesses, while the (western) EU is better for students, the working class, retirees, and well-entrenched business and political families.

And guess what, I was a student in Europe, I went to the US to run my own business - gladly paying low effective tax rates and taking my chances on my own -, and I may return to Europe as a retiree.

So apparently we do not need an article from the Guardian - that obvious bastion of useful objective information - to tell us what we already know.

My impression is that Europe is becoming less of a paradise for the working class even as the Chinese, Africans et alia eat them alive, so to speak, by sheer numbers and competition.

Good Luck!

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Old 09-20-2012, 05:23 AM
 
Location: the dairyland
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Yes, well, have fun with that collapsing economy. Let's watch in utter astonishment when China is comparing itself to your infinite inferiority.
Not that the American economy is much to write home about compared to the majority of European countries.

I don't care much about those articles where either the US or Europe are talked down. We are more alike than different and should work together instead of having arguments about mostly irrelevant things.
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Old 09-20-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Socialist Scandinavia
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Just so that everyone knows, paradise is just a few lightyears left of the Milky Way. If you see a sign shaped like the profile of Elvis with "little less conversation" written on it make a U-turn and drive back until you see a statue of Homer Simpson, turn right and you will be greeded by 14 virgin jews. Coinsidently Virgin Airways has some good deals running throughout September!
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Judging from some retirement trends, paradise might be Costa Rica.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:09 AM
 
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I agree that "Europe" is too broad a term. Do you compare to Norway or Albania? Maybe if we compared Europe to North America, we could compare Norway to Canada and Moldova to Nicaragua.

Anyway, the thing with the top developed countries is that they are so close together that where you are better off has a different answer based on where you are in your life, and what your preferences are. In other words, no country is better for everyone in the top. Some countries are better for some people.
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Old 09-22-2012, 01:54 AM
 
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Actually we engaged in an EU/US comparison thread here not so long ago.

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And guess what, I was a student in Europe, I went to the US to run my own business - gladly paying low effective tax rates and taking my chances on my own -, and I may return to Europe as a retiree.

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That is not quite accurate, the US has corporate tax rates of up to 39% + state taxes. In Europe the maximum tax rates are as low as 10%(Bulgaria) or 12.5%(Ireland). Even the high tax countries in Europe have lower tax rates than the US. And don't say nobody pays the top rate in the US because of deductions etc, because neither do we over here in Europe.

Europe has the possibility to accumulate wealth in your business, pay low corporate tax rates over that money and once you retire you transfer the money from your business to yourself at a much lower taxrate than the personal income tax rates. I think Europe is much better for business than the US(financially speaking).

A bit of a shame you planned your retirement based on incorrect information.
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:25 AM
 
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Nobody uses the concept "white" on daily life (non internet forums) besides Americans and other anglospheric nations (canadians, australians, new zelanders,etc) Nobody cares about the concept white in europe (except some british/Irish more americanized lately). The French, german, dutch, belgians, etc care for their ethnic groups, cultures and lifestyles and dont get the idea of an homogeneous label of white people or "acting white" and things that are used commonly by americans, because those countries are all very distinctive between eachother.

The only people that use the "white" stuff are colonials. Europeans in colonies, including non-Anglospheric European colonials in Latin america, Africa or Asia.

The English use of the term "white" to designate themselves versus "swarthy and cruel" Spanish Catholics (Spanish Empire) is rather folklorical and meaningless and comes from the times of the Black Legend (XVIth Century), just as Spanish say jokingly "the Perfid Albion", "Nest of Pirates", "race of thiefs and scoundrels", etc. Such terms always come up during football matches.

British are above all British and also Europeans, not colonials.
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