Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
It seems to me that you really didn't get what direction my point was going too. For example, If you visit the netherlands you will notice that most of the people are unmistakeably germanic by facial features/height/coloring and the language is overwhelming germanic (same for the languages in scandinavia and germany). Even if you want to distance scandinavia as a single entity, you can notice how most of netherlands is in fact more similar in mentality/character (and even looks of the people to a large extent) to a country like denmark (which belongs to scandinavia), than its to belgium, despite a large portion of belgium sharing the same language. FLemish belgians despite being dutch speaking are only close in some ways to the dutch bravant populations of deep south holland, but everything else above the rhine river would be way closer to denmark in most aspects than its to flanders.
Now about Austrians, they are conservative for the germanic world, maybe not compared to countries like Italy, Spain or even the USA, but nonetheless they are conservative compared to progressive countries such as sweden, norway, the netherlands or even Northern/western germany.
You have greatly exaggerated with your cherrypicking of British/Irish people to fit with your agenda that was shared with Traveller 86. I have challenged you with the enormous collection of evidence of British and Irish people who are just as fair as other Northern Europeans and I have always added so much scientific evidence showing where genetically British and Irish populations stand in relation to other populations in Europe, that alone speaks much more than hair color or facial features. For example the Flemish are just as Germanic as Swedish people though they are "less blonde". Finnish people are most likely the blondest people in Europe but are not Germani folks!
The English as well as other British Islanders are northwestern Europeans and France has always been "the bridge" between northwestern Europe and southwestern Europe in the geographical as well as in the genetical sense. The French cluster mostly between the Belgian and the Spanish population. The closest population to cluster with France is that of Switzerland and not Britain. The genetical map below shows the genetical distances between populations and that's how we know how they cluster.
France doesn't have "strong ties" to Germany. Germany is a good partner in UE construction, and it might give the ide that the general ties between two countries stronger than they are. France has not the economic and population weight to compare with Germany; which is the real power unique of Europe.
By the way, French quite far to be "very germanized latin thongue" .
The Frankish kingdom encompassed not only France and Germany, but also most of Italy. By the way, those part of "Italy" were politically linked to "Germany" for longer time than "france" did within the Frankish empire. This had not much impact on either culture or language for the simple reason that in medieval times the "kingdoms" and "empires" were just merely about lords, dukes and kings owning the land, but without cultural connection neither political constructions. Nations as we know them now as relatively culturaly homogenized places were far to exist at that time. A same empire or kingdom could include places where people had absolutly no ide to belong to it.
Germanic invaders in Western European countries did not had any cultural influence, because the cultural difference with the administration of the Roman Empire was abysmal. French, Italian and Spanish have not many words of Germanic origin, I believe that Spanish have about 10...
Some historians argue that the Feudal system was conceived by Germanic invaders, not true, the Feudal system started when the Roman Empire was still alive and kicking.
Germanics brought the concept of Nation-State, Jewelry, a few weapons (throwing ax), their laws that could not compare with Roman Law.
In fact, many forget that Germanic invaders were already partially romanized, such as the case of Visigoths, sicen they were foederati...In fact, culture was always at the hands of the roman administration and Latin speaking clergy.
Last edited by Rozenn; 10-10-2013 at 04:03 AM..
Reason: Unnecessary
Germanic invaders in Western European countries did not had any cultural influence, because the cultural difference with the administration of the Roman Empire was abysmal. French, Italian and Spanish have not many words of Germanic origin, I believe that Spanish have about 10...
Some historians argue that the Feudal system was conceived by Germanic invaders, not true, the Feudal system started when the Roman Empire was still alive and kicking.
Germanics brought the concept of Nation-State, Jewelry, a few weapons (throwing ax), their laws that could not compare with Roman Law.
In fact, many forget that Germanic invaders were already partially romanized, such as the case of Visigoths, sicen they were foederati...In fact, culture was always at the hands of the roman administration and Latin speaking clergy.
Germanic invaders did not have cultural influence? If you were taught that Germanic people had no cultural influence, you ought to go back to your history school teacher and tell him/her that they were fakes. Germanic did have an influence in Western Europe, however were overshadowed by Roman influence(a highly-institutionalized civilization of the Mediterranean) which had a greater impact in France, Italy, Spain, Portugal. However in Scandinanavian countries, in England there was a strong Germanic cultural influence. The best example is Anglo-Saxon Law codes were descended from ancient Germanic custom and legal thought. The laws of the Anglo-Saxons were the second in medieval Western Europe after those of the Irish to be expressed in a language other than Latin. So yes, the Germanic people might have been warrior tribes, but that wasn't all they were, they had their own culture, customs and laws. Though they adopted writing from Romans who were at the time somewhat technologically more advanced. Christianity which was a religion based on literacy also increased the adoption of writing by those Northern European peoples.
Last edited by Rozenn; 10-10-2013 at 04:04 AM..
Reason: Unnecessary
British and Northern french cultures are very similar besides language.[/quote]
The Genographic Project by National Geographic Society shows the U.K. to be more genetically Northern European than even Germany, so what do you know anyway? France is of course less Northern European than Germany.
I feel people make too much of the germanic influence outside of Germany
Germanic people are not only found in Germany for your information, they are found all over Northern Europe and many parts of Western Europe. To equate Germanic only with Germany is ignorance. The original Proto-Germanics probably lived in southern Scandinavia before going elsewhere.
See the distribution of the Germanic Y-Dna in Europe, including France.
Last edited by saxonwold; 10-10-2013 at 12:33 AM..
Germanic people are not only found in Germany for your information, they are found all over Northern Europe and many parts of Western Europe. To equate Germanic only with Germany is ignorance. The original Proto-Germanics probably lived in southern Scandinavia before going elsewhere.
See the distribution of the Germanic Y-Dna in Europe, including France.
This map is likely rubbish as the germanic influence in England is not that great
This thread is about culture and people are writing about genetics.. If someone with a "German DNA" can't - a thousand years later - have a Latin culture.. we should hurry to close all our frontiers or take back our ancestral east African culture !!
Do France and England have a lot in common ? Yes ? Borderline ? No !
And of course Northern French would feel much more closer to an Englishmen than a Marseillais. Listen to all the English people living in Brittany, Picardie or in the Limousin saying they feel like home, but people speak French (and the public service can be a nightmare). But if they live close to the Mediterranean sea or in Paris they won't say the same thing.
As a French from the North-West, beside the language, South England looks as foreign to me as Belgium or Switzerland.
This map is likely rubbish as the germanic influence in England is not that great
Germanic influence in England is not that great? The map is not rubbish, just that you have no clue of what Germanic and what is not.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
