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Old 10-15-2012, 12:12 PM
 
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No we don't, it's pronouced "Lesster"

Who cares?
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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i would have thought that their are tremendous opportunities for spain in the increasingly important economys of south america , south america should be to spain what the usa is ( or at least was many years ago ) to england

Already is, a large part of Spanish GNP comes from Latin America, a large part of exports. Spanish have always been present, as I understand there are 3 to 4 million Spanish in Latin America.

As to possible current grievances, when Latin Americans were uppity rich and Spaniards were starving back in the 40's 50's and 60's, Latin Americans, rich ones since we only had rich ones at that time, were the top notch people.

But now Spain is receiving millions of people that are not rich and are not ethnically Spanish, so many like to scorn them, but not in a different manner as they scorn Andalusians or Canarians. I'd say that the integration record of Latin Americans is the best among all non-EEC members. Of course, rich or professional ethnic Spanish that are a result of the "returnee" immigration with Spanish papers are Spanish.

For example, I have this Ecuatorian that measures 1.5 meteres and he is the handy man in this building, the entire family works. Their children speak Catalan and do not like to return to Ecuador. They all work in whatever, but the offsprings of Andalusian immigrants won't work unless as white collar, and there's no white collar jobs for them.

So Ecuatorians are working and Spanish not.

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Old 10-15-2012, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Who cares?
Well giving the amount of replies to how it is pronounced, I'd say a few.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Europe
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For example, I have this Ecuatorian that measures 1.5 meteres and he is the handy man in this building, the entire family works. Their children speak Catalan and do not like to return to Ecuador. They all work in whatever, but the offsprings of Andalusian immigrants won't work unless as white collar, and there's no white collar jobs for them.

So Ecuatorians are working and Spanish not.
Then, Catalan people complain about "catalanofobia" but I am not surprised, if they look down on other people such as Andalusians or Extremeños all the time. The own Catalans are the inventors and creators of this term.
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:30 AM
 
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You are somebody living abroad, right? Here every region loves to put down their neighbours. Catalans love to put down Valencians and Mallorcans more than anyting else because they are family. They also love to put down Andalusians because they are the immense majority here in Catalonia and they make noise with their despicable music, love to gossip, etc. The some goes with other regions...Catalans are perceived as scroungy, miserable, egotistical, etc, etc.....This has been going on during the last 150 years, since Galdos and Valle Inclán.

Madrileños also hate everybody, for them, everybody is a yokel, etc, etc.

Going back to Latins, Latins are in general better viewed because they are not into such wars. The only Latins people dislike mildly are Argentinians, because they have a very difficult character, they believe they are the best (just like Catalans) and generally they are a pain. But this is something general, even in Argentina they think the same of Bonaerenses.. Not that they are bad or good, but "pesaos".
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Europe
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No I don't live abroad

In my area we don't "hate" or look down anybody to be honest, I am not telling you this to make you think "ohh they are mega tolerants" it is just the reality, maybe in other areas they do, but not here so I was surprised about your first comment with Andalusians.

About Latin Americans, I've heard that they are very lazy when someone hire them except chileans, and socially they have the habit of being late always everywhere, by the way I agree about Argentinians, it's nothing personal with them but I have also heard that they are considered arrogant, I have a Chilean friend and he says in America the view is the same.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Spain
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I think it was stupid for Spain to look for a future with Europe as opposed to Latin America. I have a strange feeling that Spain wanted to do more with Europe because the EU would have provided Spain with a lot of financial subsidies since Spain was an underdeveloped country up until the 1990s, relative to northern Europe. Europe is stagnating while Latin America is growing.



Wait you are saying this, but I heard the Spanish have a questionable view about people from Latin America, particularly if they are from South America. I've heard you call them (or us) "Sudacas". What's all that about?
It wasnt stupid in that moment and in think is still no stupid. Spain is separated of America by a ocean. Now i am studying and working in Belgium without any paperwork, i come home for 100 euros and in two hours i am in Valencia. There are many other disadvantages, but that is a BIG BIG advantage. Moreover, there is no political union in Latin America, and Spain has always had its market in L America anyway and that mutual knowledge is sometimes a disadvantage, example of these were the two countries that made a nationalization of spanish companies, always referring to the colonial past. There's not been any brotherhood by any of the two parts, that is the true, spaniards despises latin americans and latin americans hate Spain, although the Spanish has a Cuban cousin or the cuban has a spanish cousin. that's the truth, it's time to be honest and admit it. Why to have an alliance with someone who does not want you as an ally? As for the term sudacas, i have never referred to anyone with derogatory terms. As anywhere, there are xenophobic people. And finally, the natives always come before you if you are a foreigner unless you have contacts or a special relationship as employer, people prefer to hire someone from their own country first, with some exceptions.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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You are somebody living abroad, right? Here every region loves to put down their neighbours. Catalans love to put down Valencians and Mallorcans more than anyting else because they are family. They also love to put down Andalusians because they are the immense majority here in Catalonia and they make noise with their despicable music, love to gossip, etc. The some goes with other regions...Catalans are perceived as scroungy, miserable, egotistical, etc, etc.....This has been going on during the last 150 years, since Galdos and Valle Inclán.

Madrileños also hate everybody, for them, everybody is a yokel, etc, etc.

Going back to Latins, Latins are in general better viewed because they are not into such wars. The only Latins people dislike mildly are Argentinians, because they have a very difficult character, they believe they are the best (just like Catalans) and generally they are a pain. But this is something general, even in Argentina they think the same of Bonaerenses.. Not that they are bad or good, but "pesaos".
I thought they'd be the most liked since the majority of Argentines are white or so they claim.
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:02 AM
 
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I thought they'd be the most liked since the majority of Argentines are white or so they claim.
In Spain that is irrelevant.
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:57 AM
 
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Argentines were the ones that caused all the mess here. Back during the 60 and 70, until 1977-78, the largest number of Latins and foreigners were Cubans. There were Cubans almost everywhere, Madrid, Galicia. Their criminality index was zero and in fact most were Spanish whose business were confiscated by Castro. Since they were very sympathetic with Franco, they did not cause any poitical problem.

When Franco kicked the bucket in 1975 and the Socialist won the elections in 1982, most Cubans left for the US and elsewere,

An then came a LARGE WAVE or Argentinian "missing" or "desaparecidos" )(1977 onwards). Those "missing" were supposed to be victims of military dictators sich as Videla, and in fact, probably many were real victims, but most were common criminals expelled by the dictatorship (something like Mariel) and they provoke many drug problems, bank roberies, bank frauds and hence, the term "sudaca" appeared.

Argentinians and South Americans coming now are just normal hard working people, but people are still a little bit cautious of Argentinians, more so after they confiscated a large Spanish owned oil company in Argentina..and Argentinian have a difficult character, they talk too much crap, etc (the ones in Buenos Aires).

Race is not important here, at the beginning people thought that Ecuatorians were Japanese, and they do look funny, but that's about it.


As to the fact that Spanish despise Latin Americans and Latin American hate Spanish, I find this is mostly CRAP. Maybe Spanish immigrants in Europe think themselves more Spanish than Spanish immigrants in Latin America (a lot and growing), but I do not view any difference firm some Gallego in Brussels or Mendoza, I would rather go for a Gallego en Mendoza because I have observed that Spanish immigrants or students in Europe are rather ridden with inferiority complex and scummy, not interesting.

But again, as somebody LIVING in Spain, we could not care less. If the immigrants behaves well he's respected no matter the race.

In fact, I'd rather have Hispanics than muslims.

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