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The city is very Russian, Russia is quite European so I am going with it being a European city. European culture has followed Russian expansion to the east for centuries. It is undeniable that vast amounts of Slavic Russian culture exists all the way to the pacific.
The city is very Russian, Russia is quite European so I am going with it being a European city. European culture has followed Russian expansion to the east for centuries. It is undeniable that vast amounts of Slavic Russian culture exists all the way to the pacific.
I don't think anyone is denying that. Some of us are saying there's more to it, than that. The picture is more complex than that.
Maybe a clearer way to phrase the question is, "Is Vladivostok a colonial city"? For the most part, it is, except the last time this topic came up, someone found photos of a few buildings from earlier Chinese periods.
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The history of Vladivostok can be divided into the history of the land on which Vladivostok is now located and the history of the city itself. The area that is now Vladivostok was settled by ancient peoples, such as the Mohe, the Goguryeo, the Balhae and the later Liao and Jīn Dynasties. The area was ceded by China to Russia as a result of the Treaty of Aigun of 1858 and the Treaty of Peking of 1860.
I don't think anyone is denying that. Some of us are saying there's more to it, than that. The picture is more complex than that.
Maybe a clearer way to phrase the question is, "Is Vladivostok a colonial city"? For the most part, it is, except the last time this topic came up, someone found photos of a few buildings from earlier Chinese periods.
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No, even if there was a Chinese city prior to the Russian's settling there, it's still a colonial city because very little survived from that time period, and I would even wager that nothing did. Also most people would consider Mexico city a colonial city despite it being formally called Tenochtitlan the capital of the Aztec empire, but the whole city was razed to the ground, the only thing that survives are the temple stones that were used to build the foundation of the city.
Also something to keep in mind Vladivostok was founded in 1860, camper that to Seattle which was founded in 1860 and Portland, OR in 1845. So Vladivostok is a very young city even by American standards.
But then if Vladivostok is a Colonial city, does that make Seattle a colonial city?
I guess it is just a random Russian city with random Russian people settled close the oriental Asian civilization.
This is hard for Europeans understand because they have transitions areas in borders from one major culture to another, because the centuries and centuries of European civilization has (example Catalunia between France and Spain) but in the new world it is pretty common.
For example in the triple border we have in South America in the Iguazu falls there are 3 cities. A Paraguayan a Brazilian and an Argentinean. In the Brazilian Foz do Iguaçu is feeling the same vibe of São Paulo in Puerto Iguazu you feel like in a small city close Buenos Aire and in Ciudad del este it is totally like being in Assuncion Paraguay. Of course because the ocupation of this area was artificial the 3 countries sent people from their capital cities to settle and to ocuppy border areas few decades ago, so people there are more alike people from thousands of kilometers than their neighboring in the other side of the river…
No, even if there was a Chinese city prior to the Russian's settling there, it's still a colonial city because very little survived from that time period, and I would even wager that nothing did. Also most people would consider Mexico city a colonial city despite it being formally called Tenochtitlan the capital of the Aztec empire, but the whole city was razed to the ground, the only thing that survives are the temple stones that were used to build the foundation of the city.
Also something to keep in mind Vladivostok was founded in 1860, camper that to Seattle which was founded in 1860 and Portland, OR in 1845. So Vladivostok is a very young city even by American standards.
But then if Vladivostok is a Colonial city, does that make Seattle a colonial city?
Yes Seattle and most of the modern US were colonies of the Thirteen British Colonies.
The real question here is: is Almaty a European or Asian city?
Almaty is another Russian colonial city founded in 1854, however unlike Vladivostok, only 33% of the population is Russian and 51% is Kazakh. So I would say that Almaty is more Asian than European.
No, even if there was a Chinese city prior to the Russian's settling there, it's still a colonial city because very little survived from that time period, and I would even wager that nothing did. Also most people would consider Mexico city a colonial city despite it being formally called Tenochtitlan the capital of the Aztec empire, but the whole city was razed to the ground, the only thing that survives are the temple stones that were used to build the foundation of the city.
Also something to keep in mind Vladivostok was founded in 1860, camper that to Seattle which was founded in 1860 and Portland, OR in 1845. So Vladivostok is a very young city even by American standards.
But then if Vladivostok is a Colonial city, does that make Seattle a colonial city?
NYC is a colonial city, Mumbai has colonial influence, Vladivostok is neither, unless of course we count Moscow, London, and Seattle as colonial cities as well because hell, there was someone there before, right?
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