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Old 10-09-2012, 10:56 PM
 
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Spinning off from the "Is Russia European or Asian" threads:

In purely geographical terms, obviously Vladivostok is an Asian city.
But in cultural and political terms, is it more European or Asian?

The APEC summits and its proximity to China, Korea, and Japan, and its media must influence its culture and politics somewhat.
However, there aren't many Asians in the city since the Russians expelled those ethnic groups several decades ago.

What do others think?
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Spinning off from the "Is Russia European or Asian" threads:
Yeah, yeah, we noticed. *sigh* Here we go again.

I don't know what Asians you're referring to , that Russia expelled long ago. There are still the local Indigenous people around the city.There's not many, and they tend to live outside the city in villages, but they haven't been expelled from the region.

Cultural--"European". What do you mean by "political"? It seems that Putin is using it to present that part of Russia as part of Asia. Not a bad idea, considering the growing business Russia is doing with Asia. Vlad is probably both European and Asian. It can be whichever it wants as the mood and expediency strike.

There is no right answer.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:32 AM
 
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Vladivostok's government unsuccesfully tried to kick out stoned Chinese, until Bolsheviks did the job about a century ago.

The city is totally European. The federal government now plans to use it's status of "Europe in Asia" to attract hordes of Asian tourists.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:03 AM
 
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my home town! He's of European.I agree with Ruth!((For political purposes may be)Russia but we all European.russiaonline,just like the whole far East and Siberia

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Old 10-11-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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First one would have to define "European" and "Asian" (apart from geographically). This is no small task.

That being said, there is a strong Asian influence in Vladivostok. You can feel it when you're there. And you can feel it when you travel to other large Russian cities. For instance, just going to Khabarovsk--the closest large city--one can feel the difference in Asian influence. To say Vladivostok is "totally European" is just plain wrong (and smacks of being disingenuous and, very likely, racism). The Chinese and Koreans were in the region well before the Russians, and that influence is still felt and seen. There is old Asian architecture there today. A huge percentage of the cars there are Japanese and Korean--not very European. Most people I know from Vladivostok who have traveled abroad have done so in Asia: Japan, China, Korea, and SE Asia. That makes sense since these places are much closer than Europe.

(As an aside, for an interesting reading about the history of the city, I would suggest reading Eleanor Pray's book, Vladivostok: A Portrait, 1894-1930, if you can get a old of it.)

My wife, a Vladivostokian, is a fashionista and swears that you can see Asian influences in the way people dress in Vladivostok. This makes sense, as many people shop in nearby Chinese cities, where the prices tend to be much lower.

If you're talking about mentality, well that's a whole other ballgame, and one that will just ignite scores of posts full of deflections, using exceptions as the rule, exaggerations, posturing, and probably, ultimately, name-calling.

In short: If you really want to find out, go to Vladivostok yourself. It's a unique city for sure.
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PostSecularist View Post
Spinning off from the "Is Russia European or Asian" threads:

In purely geographical terms, obviously Vladivostok is an Asian city.
But in cultural and political terms, is it more European or Asian?

The APEC summits and its proximity to China, Korea, and Japan, and its media must influence its culture and politics somewhat.
However, there aren't many Asians in the city since the Russians expelled those ethnic groups several decades ago.

What do others think?
Why do you write that there aren't many Asians in the city? That simply is untrue.
There are many Koreans, Chinese, and a good-sized Japanese community.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:22 PM
 
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Russian culture is essentially more European, although over time I think it's absorbed a bit of Asian influence in the Russian Far East. I hear the Asian influence is growing again in that part of Russia. On the flipside parts of China, especially Harbin, used to be home to large Russian communities until they were expelled by the Japanese and later the Communists.
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Old 10-12-2012, 01:45 AM
 
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There are still Russians in and around Harbin. They're considered a national minority by the Chinese.
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:04 AM
 
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There is old Asian architecture there today.
In Vladivostok??? It's a city built by Russians (Chinese were merely workers) for Russians.

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A huge percentage of the cars there are Japanese and Korean--not very European.
That's due to geographic location.

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My wife, a Vladivostokian, is a fashionista and swears that you can see Asian influences in the way people dress in Vladivostok.
Vladivostok's girls dress like prostitutes - even more so than other Russian girls. If that's an Asian trait, then I know nothing about Asia.

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This makes sense, as many people shop in nearby Chinese cities, where the prices tend to be much lower.
The whole world is dressed in clothing made in China.

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In short: If you really want to find out, go to Vladivostok yourself. It's a unique city for sure.
That's unfortunately true.
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:06 AM
 
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^ Do a lot of the Russian sex workers in Asia come from Vladivostok?
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