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Old 10-16-2012, 12:03 PM
 
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Didn't you notice that I mostly rebuff anti-Russian propaganda? My nick sure provides a hint.


I haven't been to almost 100% of Russian schools either. The same surely applies to you.


Do you even read what I say? Your experience is OUTDATED. Just watch the videos I posted in this very thread (the first two):

http://www.city-data.com/forum/26508344-post11.html

See anything familiar?

Plus you... metrics.. bla-bla-bla...


I'm sure that's what you've said, but I'm a bit lazy right now to dig it up. No big deal.


What exactly?


I wasn't interested in the very idea - and you noticed it. Too bad you started the thread not with "all Russian schools", as you planned, but with "all public". Not that it helped you.
You don't find the absurdity of turning our dissenting opinions into an "anti-Russian" crusade? I'm not anti-Russian at all.

Well, I last was in a Russian school in March, 2012. If it has changed that significantly in that amount of time I would be pleasantly surprised!

If you want to compare private Russian/American schools, be my guest. It's a free forum (mostly)! Best of luck with that.
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Old 10-16-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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You don't find the absurdity of turning our dissenting opinions into an "anti-Russian" crusade? I'm not anti-Russian at all.
You - maybe. But your words are.

I understand that it's just an example of a gross misunderstanding of a different culture. But now that I explained, why our schools don't have ECs, you should calm a bit.
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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You - maybe. But your words are.
Pointing out where Russia needs improvement and discussing areas of improvement is not anti-Russian. To the contrary, discussing what can be improved comes from wanting to see Russia do better. The problem is that you interpret everything as anti-Russian, then you set up an absurd polemic, which requires people to explain where you're wrong. So it derails the entire conversation (speaking about these Russia-related threads in general). Lighten up, ROL! No one here is out to shame Russia. To the contrary, we want to enjoy an intelligent conversation about Russia's plusses and minuses, and what can be done to improve the things that need improving. There are no anti-Russ propagandists here, except one. The rest of us love Russia, or at least are fascinated by Russia, and just want to half a calm, interesting discussion. Please don't read criticism into the posts when it doesn't exist, or at least, it isn't intended as idle criticism. The fewer photos you put up, the less time jeff and others will have to spend pointing out the errors or deliberate omissions in your posts, and the sooner we can have a nice, normal, calm conversation about each topic. No polemics, no Cold War show-boating, just a nice normal discussion. It is too much to hope for?
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Old 10-16-2012, 01:32 PM
 
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Pointing out where Russia needs improvement and discussing areas of improvement is not anti-Russian. To the contrary, discussing what can be improved comes from wanting to see Russia do better. The problem is that you interpret everything as anti-Russian, then you set up an absurd polemic, which requires people to explain where you're wrong. So it derails the entire conversation (speaking about these Russia-related threads in general). Lighten up, ROL! No one here is out to shame Russia. To the contrary, we want to enjoy an intelligent conversation about Russia's plusses and minuses, and what can be done to improve the things that need improving. There are no anti-Russ propagandists here, except one. The rest of us love Russia, or at least are fascinated by Russia, and just want to half a calm, interesting discussion. Please don't read criticism into the posts when it doesn't exist, or at least, it isn't intended as idle criticism. The fewer photos you put up, the less time jeff and others will have to spend pointing out the errors or deliberate omissions in your posts, and the sooner we can have a nice, normal, calm conversation about each topic. No polemics, no Cold War show-boating, just a nice normal discussion. It is too much to hope for?
This is a great post, and it is an accurate one.
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Old 10-16-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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Pointing out where Russia needs improvement and discussing areas of improvement is not anti-Russian.
"Everything Russian sucks" is not a discussion of what needs to be done.

Schools suck totally - yet they are not. Roads in the city are unpassable - something Vladivostokians themselves are unaware of. Salaries are stuck at the level they were years ago - yet they doubled or tripled.

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The fewer photos you put up, the less time jeff and others will have to spend pointing out the errors or deliberate omissions in your posts
Show me errors and omissions in my portrayal of Russian schools. Jeff can't.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:50 PM
 
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No one here has ever said "everything Russian sucks". How telling that you would see it that way, though. You should re-read my thread about Russian manufacturing. It was the complete opposite of what you say. I was saying "Russia produces some great, internationally-marketable products! What are the obstacles that prevent Russia from doing more international marketing, and what can be done to eliminate them?"

It sounds like you have a one-track mind. Even when people post something good about Russia, you somehow twist it, and bury it in photographs.

Don't worry; Jeff is going to go on a photo expedition, a type of safari, of schools and clinics in Vladivostok, just for you! He's also going to show us photos of the remains of the old Chinatown.

We're looking forward to it.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:14 AM
 
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No one here has ever said "everything Russian sucks".
That's linguistic exaggeration.

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You should re-read my thread about Russian manufacturing.
What are the obstacles that prevent Russia from doing more international marketing, and what can be done to eliminate them?"
You're like a little girl. No, really - your posts on that thread are increadibly naive.

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It sounds like you have a one-track mind. Even when people post something good about Russia, you somehow twist it, and bury it in photographs.
That's simply not true.

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Don't worry; Jeff is going to go on a photo expedition, a type of safari, of schools and clinics in Vladivostok, just for you!
Cherry-picking IRL is easier than online?

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He's also going to show us photos of the remains of the old Chinatown.
There are tons of photos of Millionka.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:20 AM
 
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You're like a little girl. No, really - your posts on that thread are increadibly naive.
So, you'd prefer that I post that Russia is a trash-heap, and has nothing to offer the world? Make up your mind. The problem is, you're reading far more into people's posts than is there. You're missing the whole spirit of many of these discussions. The problem is, they never have a chance to realize their potential, because the two propagandists on the forum hijack the conversation.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:32 AM
 
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So, you'd prefer that I post that Russia is a trash-heap, and has nothing to offer the world?
I like that you like some Russian products, but when you speak about business... you really sound childish.

Open another thread, and I'll explain it.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:15 AM
 
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I like that you like some Russian products, but when you speak about business... you really sound childish.

Open another thread, and I'll explain it.
I've already tried to explain economic development to you. There's no point. And you're missing the point of my post, anyway.
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