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View Poll Results: Sweden is more like
Finland 13 12.87%
Norway 88 87.13%
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:26 AM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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Scandinavia was a country. At least they were a united Kingdom for centuries after the Black Death.

Thankfully that's over. Now Norway answers to no one!!!!

:-)
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Old 10-30-2012, 09:57 AM
 
Location: SWE
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Almost as false as "Finland is closer to Russia than Sweden". I suggest you leave your small circles. Leave your puukko at home.

Vieraiden kielten osaaminen vuosina 1995, 2000 ja 2006 (18–64-vuotias väestö)

Percentage of Finns speaking foreign languages. Four levels, from basic to excellent knowledge in 2006.
English 82%, Swedish 65%, German 33%, French 11%, Russian 6%, Spanish 6%.

There aren't any signs that Fenno-Swedes are disappearing from Finland. About Åland, I don't even want to say anything. Your ignorance is shocking.
Your graph suggests people on average are becoming better educated in various languages accross the board. I'm so sorry i typed that the % of finlandsvensk would be declining, when i should have clarified that the % of those who speak swedish as their first language has been slowly but steadily declining. I guess i don't really draw a difference between the two, they're all finnish people to me. It's of course up for debate if that declining % equals to the influence of the swedish language declining in Finland overall.

FYI, the puukkojunkkari knifefighters were a part of everyday life here maybe 120-130 years ago. Kind of begs a question, how often do you leave your small circles?
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Old 10-30-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Turku, Finland
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Your graph suggests people on average are becoming better educated in various languages accross the board. I'm so sorry i typed that the % of finlandsvensk would be declining, when i should have clarified that the % of those who speak swedish as their first language has been slowly but steadily declining. I guess i don't really draw a difference between the two, they're all finnish people to me. It's of course up for debate if that declining % equals to the influence of the swedish language declining in Finland overall.

FYI, the puukkojunkkari knifefighters were a part of everyday life here maybe 120-130 years ago. Kind of begs a question, how often do you leave your small circles?
Vic's right. First-language Swedish speakers have been in steady decline for some time.

Statistics Finland -

That's not to say the influence of the Swedish language has diminished, quite the contrary. They still maintain preferential treatment in university admissions and are, therefore, more highly represented in the respected professions.

Plus the comparative ease of learning Swedish compared to Finnish has also been a point the SFP have been trying to sell to new immigrants. Legitimization can be had in this country if you can manage a level of competence in one of the two "national" languages. Swedish is probably the easier route than climbing the rocky slopes of the Finnish language, notwithstanding the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population either can't or won't speak Swedish to them.

Puukkojunkkarit are so 19th century, Ariete. Now we have the Dudesons.
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Old 10-30-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Finland
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I'll answer to you both in my thread, no need for this kind of off-topic.

On-topic: as BigSwede mentioned, it's quite geographical. A Northern Swede will probably share more with a Northern Finn and Norwegian than with a Scania Swede, who on the other hand will have more in common with a Dane than his/her northern compatriot. Overall, Sweden is closer to Norway than Finland, but the real differences are quite small. The societies, the culture and values of the people in general are similar.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska (most of the time)
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I'll answer to you both in my thread, no need for this kind of off-topic.

On-topic: as BigSwede mentioned, it's quite geographical. A Northern Swede will probably share more with a Northern Finn and Norwegian than with a Scania Swede, who on the other hand will have more in common with a Dane than his/her northern compatriot. Overall, Sweden is closer to Norway than Finland, but the real differences are quite small. The societies, the culture and values of the people in general are similar.
I agree with y'all on this. I didn't even answer the poll, because I can't pick. Like BigSwede said first, in northern Sweden, the Finnish presence is more known, and in southern Sweden it's more similar to (Denmark) Norway.

However, I'd say that the Swedish media is closer to Finland than Norway - there are Finnish newsprograms and as a child I would oftentimes watch Finnish-speaking TV-shows. Of course there are quite a few Norweigan produced shows on TV now, but no special shows made for them. Sweden does have a pretty big population with Finnish cultural/ethnic roots.

But all in all, given our history with both countries, we're equally close to both of them.
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:00 AM
 
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Is the accent/dialect of Swedish different/more Finnish sounding in the North compared to the South?
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Old 11-01-2012, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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Is the accent/dialect of Swedish different/more Finnish sounding in the North compared to the South?
In the Norrbotten province lots of people has a finnish or sami accent.
Many people are also more comfortable speaking finnish or meänkieli.
I think the accent closer to the norwegian border is more sami than norwegian.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Finland
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In the Norrbotten province lots of people has a finnish or sami accent.
Many people are also more comfortable speaking finnish or meänkieli.
I think the accent closer to the norwegian border is more sami than norwegian.
My swedish lanquage is now some what "Rusty" (Sure can understand what others others are saying and talk it some how, just after teenage i did better) but exsample when sitting on bar with my friends, lanquage turns sometimes to swedish and then back to finnish and nobody dont give any attentation on this issue....But sometimes when I hear orginal "Skåne" accent, comes to mind that I have lost my skills to understand swedish lanquage
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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My swedish lanquage is now some what "Rusty" (Sure can understand what others others are saying and talk it some how, just after teenage i did better) but exsample when sitting on bar with my friends, lanquage turns sometimes to swedish and then back to finnish and nobody dont give any attentation on this issue....But sometimes when I hear orginal "Skåne" accent, comes to mind that I have lost my skills to understand swedish lanquage
No one in Sweden understands the scanian accent either.
I regret I didn´t learn finnish when I was younger though, but at least I can order a cup of coffee.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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Norway and Sweden are much more similar to eachother than they are to finland.
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