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View Poll Results: Is Europe on its way to becoming an Anglophone continent?
No way, not in a trillion years 31 47.69%
Maybe in a thousand years 10 15.38%
Maybe in a hundred years 14 21.54%
It's happening already and yes, eventually Europe's native languages will go extinct 10 15.38%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-11-2012, 03:53 AM
 
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English level in Spain is scatological, to say the least. I had to learn English by myself because at my school (private religious school), English was considered a rogish language spoken by decadent heathens. French was taught as the "culture" language, along with Latin.

Now, noboby under 50 speaks French and most educated people speak English. The last trend is Chinese and Russian. There are schools with immersion programs in Chinese, and it's quite amazing to see local kids speaking Chinese.

No, I do not believe in the theory of a Universal Lingua Franca. I believe in a universal PIDGIN, just like the language spoken in Bladerunner.

And who knows who will rule the world in 200 years? The West (fragmented in 30 language) is going under, who knows what will happen in the future? Just a few generations ago, French was considered the language of culture and English was considered a barbaric language, who knows what will happen in the future?


I do not see any foreign language "removing" a local language in western Europe, just as happened in the Roman empire were Latin replaced 100 different languages in the Western Roman Empire.

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Old 11-11-2012, 04:05 AM
 
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Yes, one reason is that inside Spain we don't need the english, all films are translated in the cinema and in the TV, videogames, or whatever you need, and if not, most of people don't do any effort trying to learn it, but the educational system have a part of fault, in Spain is very focused in grammar,
repeating the same things in the school, and in the high school and for what, for finish having a poor writing level like me, and be unable to say more than two words correctly pronounced. And when you arrive to the university needing a medium level of english to approve the new grades, you realized that all the years that you have studied were a waste of time because you still have a basic level of english.


Because in Spain, public and "concerted" education is an extension of the state. The Spanish Public Education System is just like any public institution, teachers and deans are morons appointed by political reasons (except with some exceptions) or people that failed in the private world and approved some doctored admission tests (oposiciones). Teachers are public servants and public education is closed to teachers from English speaking countries, because being a teacher in the public education system is just like being a public servant (you have to be Spanish, have a Spanish degree, have some political connection, pass doctored admission tests and learn absurd languages in some communities, the result is that most public education teachers are derelict to say the least).

So public education has not changed a bit since Franco. Kids now are taught the same stupid things but now selected by stupid local politicians that try to brainwash your child according to political agendas. By the way, most teachers in public education are loonies, because they are attacked by their pupils and insulted by their parents.

Only wealthy people have access to real private schools (schools that do not received public funding and their agendas are not imposed by politicians). At least in those schools, parents can choose the kind of brainwashing their children will receive. In this town we have two private schools, one "concerted" and two "Institutos". People in private schools usually come out with three to five languages and they spend many summers in the US, France, Germany, etc, learning different languages.

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Old 11-11-2012, 08:08 AM
 
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English level in Spain is scatological, to say the least. I had to learn English by myself because at my school (private religious school), English was considered a rogish language spoken by decadent heathens. French was taught as the "culture" language, along with Latin.

Now, noboby under 50 speaks French and most educated people speak English. The last trend is Chinese and Russian. There are schools with immersion programs in Chinese, and it's quite amazing to see local kids speaking Chinese.
I know many people who does, in fact I studied french as a compulsory subjet during some years at school, and I am not old, I did English too I think it depends on the area where you live.
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