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Old 11-03-2012, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, BC
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Grenoble looks very beautiful!
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:45 AM
 
Location: France
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Someone posted an OP very similar to this in the "World" section. Everyone seems to want a mediterranean climate, a strong arts community, medium-to-large city, affordable housing. In other words: perfection at half the price.

OP, how would you get a work visa for France? Is there a reason you think your skills would be in such demand that home-grown talent couldn't satisfy the demand? Have you thought this through?
Very good questions!! OP, forget about the climate and the art for now, try to find a job first. Once you move to France, you can always relocate. The VISA and the working permit is what should concern you. Take it from someone who has been through this and is sick of the french birocracy.
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Near Tours, France about 47°10'N 0°25'E
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Hello. In your field it would be very very difficult to find a job, anywhere in the country, especially since you are foreign. In urban planning (I'm myself urban architect without job...) there is very little job opportunities outside of the Paris area. In Paris you might find some big architecture and urban planning agencies (but they tend to diminish the number of their employees). Since some of them have prject in the international growing economies it can be possible to get a job there for a non-french. But outside of of those big Parisian agencies, it is almost impossible. In Province (non-Parisian France); the only possibilities in urban planning are public jobs that are open only to french citizens that have get a "public concours".
Anyway, whatever in which field you want to work, you'll need to be prefectly french-speaking (excepted if you work in a very big international company that works for english-speaking clients, most of them based in Paris region)
Don't forget the unemployment rate is very high for french people, for foreign it is worse.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: The High Seas
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Unless you hold a European passport, you're pretty much out of luck. Unless, of course, you're a rocket scientist and there's a need for your skills at the time you want to move there.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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That's not how it works. The employment rate of France is:

Employment-to-population ratio - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

63.8%.


The OP just needs to realize that unemployment is very high in France. And, since he needs a visa, he is better off looking somewhere else.

You might as well move to Germany, somewhere along the border, since Metz was suggested and it's close to the German border, and just go to France whenever you like.

I'm puzzled by all these North American OP's who think they can just pick up and move anywhere in Europe at a time of high unemployment, with no exceptional skills beyond what workers in Europe already offer, and land a job in their field. North America is not part of the EU, just in case anyone was confused about that....??

Eurozone unemployment figures hit a new high - latimes.com

5.4% in Germany.

I don't really know much about the OP's major, but it sounds like it's something not many folks major in, so there shouldn't be a flood of job applicants, and you are more likely to get a job and a visa.
But if he wants to live in Germany but work in France, why should the Germans give him a visa? As a Canadian, your only hope of getting a start in the EU is England, through Commonwealth ties. Then maybe you can work something out with France from there.

I'm puzzled by all these North American OP's who seem to think they can just hop over to Europe and find a job in their field, in spite of high unemployment, and their not having any exceptional skills besides what the citizens of their target countries offer themselves. North America isn't part of the Eurozone, in case anyone was confused about that....??
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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That explanation doesn't make any sense given the 2010 numbers (and every year before that, actually). The population in the US is younger in part because it has more kids, but also because France has relatively more elderly people.

That extremely low 2012 wiki number for the US (58%) is unsourced. I think it's more likely to be an apples-to-oranges comparison than anything else.
Umm, that's what I said.. kids are included..

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Unless you hold a European passport, you're pretty much out of luck. Unless, of course, you're a rocket scientist and there's a need for your skills at the time you want to move there.

No, he's not completely out of luck. You can do what I suggested. As a matter of fact, there are lots of Indians who move to Canada to get into the U.S. Just the other day this was discussed on here (again ).

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But if he wants to live in Germany but work in France, why should the Germans give him a visa? As a Canadian, your only hope of getting a start in the EU is England, through Commonwealth ties. Then maybe you can work something out with France from there.

I'm puzzled by all these North American OP's who seem to think they can just hop over to Europe and find a job in their field, in spite of high unemployment, and their not having any exceptional skills besides what the citizens of their target countries offer themselves. North America isn't part of the Eurozone, in case anyone was confused about that....??
No, that's not what I was saying. You can move to and work in Germany, and then cross the border whenever you like. Might not be the best solution to his problem, but it depends on what his priorities are. Maybe even the NL, but it's much smaller than Germany, and I, personally, like bigger countries/cities, so I suggested Germany.
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Old 11-04-2012, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, BC
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1. I'm not a Canadian but a US citizen, studying in Canda
2. Obviously I'd have to get a visa, but this is THEORETICALLY speaking, which city would be ideal regardless of the visa issue.
3. Why is everyone assuming I'm a guy when my avatar is female?
4. Don't want to live in Germany but a French-speaking country...
Thanks anyways.
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Old 11-04-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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Umm, that's what I said.. kids are included..
Elderly people too, so your point doesn't really work... besides, my main point was:

2010: France 64% US 66.7%
2012: France 63.8% US 58.7%

Your explanation doesn't make sense for 2010, only for 2012. It's wrong, because there hasn't been such a big demographic shift in the US from 2010 to 2012.

That 58.7% number is bogus anyway (and unsourced in the wiki page, as I wrote earlier). The real 2012 number according to the BLS is around 64%.
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Elderly people too, so your point doesn't really work... besides, my main point was:

2010: France 64% US 66.7%
2012: France 63.8% US 58.7%

Your explanation doesn't make sense for 2010, only for 2012. It's wrong, because there hasn't been such a big demographic shift in the US from 2010 to 2012.

That 58.7% number is bogus anyway (and unsourced in the wiki page, as I wrote earlier). The real 2012 number according to the BLS is around 64%.

Exactly

France:
'10% unemployed' '90% of worker' = '100% working population' = '63.8% (The employment rate of France is)'
A child is not included in the working population

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Old 11-05-2012, 11:42 AM
 
Location: MO->MI->CA->TX->MA
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The climate criteria alone will exclude much of France except along the north and west coasts.. even though the average high temperatures are not 85, actual temperatures could regularly reach those levels in the summer.
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