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Old 11-17-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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SU had its own computer networks, that merged with the internet.
Ha ha ha. SU would never allow a free uncensored access to the internet for everybody.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:26 PM
 
Location: State Fire and Ice
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Damn, a guy from Russia wants to teach us about democracy now
If it wasn't for us you would only read about the internet in science fiction books
Well, you are trying to teach us our history. If Russia does not then you would look on TV in scientific journals, which implies no and the Internet. (In Russia kamunikatsii television and computers have appeared earlier than in America.)You know that America owes its existence Russia several times.Back to the topic please!it reminds Rap Battle Russia against America-Choose lol. Want to throw off the look and laugh?

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Old 11-17-2012, 04:43 PM
 
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TV was invented in America, so were transistors, microchips and computers. I have no idea what you are talking about.
TV was invented in Russia and the TV itself - and it came in first in Moscow, it was an emergency network opoveschknie (Event Alert)for VIPs. 1 -And the computer as well. But the inventor sent to camps rather than rewarded.Just Popov invented the radio, but zapotentoval Marconi.

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Old 11-17-2012, 11:22 PM
 
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TV was invented in America,
By a Russian...

Vladimir K. Zworykin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

( and this is the earlier history behind this particular invention)

Boris Rosing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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so were transistors, microchips and computers. I have no idea what you are talking about but now that Soviet government that was censoring all newspapers and all other media not allow free speech internet.
This is what Grey is talking about the invention of radio -

Alexander Stepanovich Popov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this is the long list of Russian inventors - I'm sure that they have something about computers along those lines too...

List of Russian inventors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:26 PM
 
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PS. For those who might be interested in "things Russian" ( in connection with previous post) - this is a pretty neat link that I came across...

Timeline of Russian inventions and technology records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:07 AM
 
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PS. For those who might be interested in "things Russian" ( in connection with previous post) - this is a pretty neat link that I came across...

Timeline of Russian inventions and technology records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't really know what this have to do with the topic but Russia is not a technological superpower. The world has been shaped by companies like IBM, XEROX, AT&T, APPLE, INTEL, GE, MOTOROLA, AMD, MICROSOFT, SUN, ORACLE, GOOGLE, and many other American companies that hold thousands of patents on most things technologically advanced.
Where are Russian companies comparable to IBM or MOTOROLA?
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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The topic isn't about whether it is or could become a tech superpower. It's simply exploring the idea if it's possible for Russia to develop an economic base that isn't so dependent on natural resource extraction. The Finns on the forum have posted some interesting news about Russian business (including tech) start-ups in Helsinki and Estonia. Jeff has a successful business (of some sort) going in Vladivostok. It proves that it's doable. The easy money-makers seem to be fashion-related.

Can anyone give examples of other kinds of privately-owned business (not oligarch-related or extraction related)?
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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Ha ha ha. SU would never allow a free uncensored access to the internet for everybody.
There was Fidonet, Soviet "internet" Relcom, an email network, and Usenet (1st gen forums). They were uncensored, and helped people coordinate counter coup-de-tat, when everything was down.

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Where are Russian companies comparable to IBM or MOTOROLA?
Comparable to these multinationals? What about IBM and Motorola?

If we judge by employees, then IBM is an Indian company.

But your question, that you ask time and again, doesn't even make much sense:

1. Russia is in a worst position to create multinationals, due to a century long embargo.
2. Huge corporations is a sign of corporatism - that's a fascist thing.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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The topic isn't about whether it is or could become a tech superpower. It's simply exploring the idea if it's possible for Russia to develop an economic base that isn't so dependent on natural resource extraction. The Finns on the forum have posted some interesting news about Russian business (including tech) start-ups in Helsinki and Estonia. Jeff has a successful business (of some sort) going in Vladivostok. It proves that it's doable. The easy money-makers seem to be fashion-related.

Can anyone give examples of other kinds of privately-owned business (not oligarch-related or extraction related)?

There is plenty of Russian technology startups, plenty of gifted coders in Russia which was always famous for excellent mathematicians and math is closely related to programming. Nobody is denying this here but to become a viable partner in other branches of commerce Russia has to become much more liberal economically, clean up its (super-generous) labor laws and (overzelaous) tax code.
To start up business and to make this country rich in natural resources and 130 million citizens, Russia needs some deep system changes shedding all of its business-preventing post-Soviet laggage.

It's doable but the question is if there is any political will in Russia to make these changes or are the traditional rulers of Russia, post-communist nomenklatura, simply happy with the current status quo?

Politics is closely intertwined in economics, liberalization of commerce leads to liberalization of political life. Is post-communist nomenklatura ready fo it? Does it have any incentive to follow that path?

Nobody is going to solve Russian problems for Russia, they have to be resolved internally. I suspect that we will either see another revolution in Russia or it will slowly regress back into soviet days of statism and political iceage. Lets watch.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:25 PM
 
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There was Fidonet, Soviet "internet" Relcom, an email network, and Usenet (1st gen forums). They were uncensored, and helped people coordinate counter coup-de-tat, when everything was down.

Fidonet is American and its Russian incarnation was so late in the game that they dont even count as a soviet thing. Dont forget America has ben playing with the internet since 1969.

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Comparable to these multinationals? What about IBM and Motorola?
The number of patents they hold for instance or thir role in advancement of computing.


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But your question, that you ask time and again, doesn't even make much sense:

1. Russia is in a worst position to create multinationals, due to a century long embargo.
2. Huge corporations is a sign of corporatism - that's a fascist thing.
1) There is no embargo on Russian products, I can buy Russian vodka in any liquor store or a bar.
2) Huge corporations are a natural phase of development of business. I dont thing Apple or IBM is fascist. I think you must have skipped some lectures in Marxist-Leninist economy course... LOL
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