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Old 11-18-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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Can anyone give examples of other kinds of privately-owned business (not oligarch-related or extraction related)?
Economy of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

complete range of mining and extractive industries producing coal, oil, gas, chemicals, and metals;
all forms of machine building from rolling mills to high-performance aircraft and space vehicles;
defense industries including radar, missile production, and advanced electronic components, shipbuilding;
road and rail transportation equipment;
communications equipment;
agricultural machinery, tractors, and construction equipment;
electric power generating and transmitting equipment;
medical and scientific instruments;
consumer durables, textiles, foodstuffs, handicrafts

Russia produces almost everything imaginable. Oil income is spent on industrial equipment (plus some unnecessary stuff) - that's what creates wealth, and products.

Russia doesn't have any problem creating its own equipment. Well, there's a problem of exports, without which economy of scale is not great - but with WTO membership starting in a matter of days, Russian products will soon (maybe not immediately, but in not too far away future) be able to compete fairly.

This alone may boost small business exports (which interests you the most) by 3-4 times. Plus the government has recently began subsidizing such businesses.

Worry not, the future looks very bright.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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Economy of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

complete range of mining and extractive industries producing coal, oil, gas, chemicals, and metals;
all forms of machine building from rolling mills to high-performance aircraft and space vehicles;
defense industries including radar, missile production, and advanced electronic components, shipbuilding;
road and rail transportation equipment;
communications equipment;
agricultural machinery, tractors, and construction equipment;
electric power generating and transmitting equipment;
medical and scientific instruments;
consumer durables, textiles, foodstuffs, handicrafts

Russia produces almost everything imaginable. Oil income is spent on industrial equipment (plus some unnecessary stuff) - that's what creates wealth, and products.

Russia doesn't have any problem creating its own equipment. Well, there's a problem of exports, without which economy of scale is not great - but with WTO membership starting in a matter of days, Russian products will soon (maybe not immediately, but in not too far away future) be able to compete fairly.

This alone may boost small business exports (which interests you the most) by 3-4 times. Plus the government has recently began subsidizing such businesses.

Worry not, the future looks very bright.
Foe a country of 130 million and rich in resources Russian economy is just pathetic. South Korea is more advanced than Russia.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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Russia has to become much more liberal economically, clean up its (super-generous) labor laws and (overzelaous) tax code.
To start up business and to make this country rich in natural resources and 130 million citizens, Russia needs some deep system changes shedding all of its business-preventing post-Soviet laggage.
What you propose has been done in 1990's - economy collapsed. After 2000 things were reversed - and since then economy is booming.

Labor costs and taxes in US and EU are not small too. Not that they are doing greatly - but the source of their problems lies elsewhere. In overconsumption.

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It's doable but the question is if there is any political will in Russia to make these changes or are the traditional rulers of Russia, post-communist nomenklatura, simply happy with the current status quo?
People are the ones to decide. There is an oligarch named Prohorov, who proposes these exact things - he's got 5% public support. Social-conservative (strongly socialist today) Putin has 60-70%. Almost all of the rest is claimed by the social-conservative Communist Party, and social-democratic SR.

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Nobody is going to solve Russian problems for Russia, they have to be resolved internally. I suspect that we will either see another revolution in Russia or it will slowly regress back into soviet days of statism and political iceage. Lets watch.
How do you manage to look at Russia and see regress??? Everything is becoming better - and very fast. Recession has slowed growth, but it's over - and the state didn't even have to sink in debt.

If I was you, I'd worry about US, not Russia or China.

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Dont forget America has ben playing with the internet since 1969.
Just like SU. Military and scientific networks appeared long before general public jumped in. First Soviet network was created somewhere in 1950's - eons before Arpanet. Corporate networks in 1970's.

In 1980 SU created international networks.

In 1982-83 at the request of UN SU led the creation of a series of "worldwide computer conferences".

Maybe you don't understand that internet is simply a bunch of networks, using common protocols? It's not US that built those networks. And WWW, which is responsible for the universal adoption of TCP/IP, and which is what is called internet today, is not even a US invention.

Not that internet is a revolutionary invention. In 1837 Russian writer envisioned internet and even blogs (he called them "home newspapers"). In 1900's Tesla did this too. In 1974 academic Saharov proposed World Information System - that looks just like WWW.

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1) There is no embargo on Russian products
Yeah, and Russia tried hard to join WTO for 20 years, and others pushed it away just for fun.

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I can buy Russian vodka in any liquor store or a bar.
For 2-3 times more than it costs in Russia. The problem is not that Russian products are banned - there are simply high customs duties. Just like extreme duties in Russia for cars older than 4 years.

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2) Huge corporations are a natural phase of development of business. I dont thing Apple or IBM is fascist.
They may be the best companies on Earth, but corporatism is fascism! And when you've got more corporations than one can count - that's something to worry about.

There's an alternative, though - a Soviet-style state capitalism. Want some?

The main beauty of US has always been small business. Point at them, not at corporations.

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Foe a country of 130 million and rich in resources Russian economy is just pathetic. South Korea is more advanced than Russia.
What exactly do they have that we don't? I hope you are not trying to push GDP again.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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What you propose has been done in 1990's - economy collapsed. After 2000 things were reversed - and since then economy is booming.

Labor costs and taxes in US and EU are not small too. Not that they are doing greatly - but the source of their problems lies elsewhere. In overconsumption.

People are the ones to decide. There is an oligarch named Prohorov, who proposes these exact things - he's got 5% public support. Social-conservative (strongly socialist today) Putin has 60-70%. Almost all of the rest is claimed by the social-conservative Communist Party, and social-democratic SR.

How do you manage to look at Russia and see regress??? Everything is becoming better - and very fast. Recession has slowed growth, but it's over - and the state didn't even have to sink in debt.

If I was you, I'd worry about US, not Russia or China.

Just like SU. Military and scientific networks appeared long before general public jumped in. First Soviet network was created somewhere in 1950's - eons before Arpanet. Corporate networks in 1970's.

In 1980 SU created international networks.

In 1982-83 at the request of UN SU led the creation of a series of "worldwide computer conferences".

Maybe you don't understand that internet is simply a bunch of networks, using common protocols? It's not US that built those networks. And WWW, which is responsible for the universal adoption of TCP/IP, and which is what is called internet today, is not even a US invention.

Not that internet is a revolutionary invention. In 1837 Russian writer envisioned internet and even blogs (he called them "home newspapers"). In 1900's Tesla did this too. In 1974 academic Saharov proposed World Information System - that looks just like WWW.

Yeah, and Russia tried hard to join WTO for 20 years, and others pushed it away just for fun.

For 2-3 times more than it costs in Russia. The problem is not that Russian products are banned - there are simply high customs duties. Just like extreme duties in Russia for cars older than 4 years.

They may be the best companies on Earth, but corporatism is fascism! And when you've got more corporations than one can count - that's something to worry about.

There's an alternative, though - a Soviet-style state capitalism. Want some?

The main beauty of US has always been small business. Point at them, not at corporations.

What exactly do they have that we don't? I hope you are not trying to push GDP again.
This is all a fairy tale comrade. Until today Russia is an information technology museum and American companies lead the way. In soviet union you had whatever you stole from the US nothing more. Computers, semiconductors, microchips, Unix were all invented in the us. You of course can claim whatever you want. Lol

By the way Russia's entry into WTO was always blocked by the famous Russian disregard for intellectual property - you were simply stealing everything your pathetic technology could not come up with.
Ruski, make one decent car. Then we'll talk about computers lol
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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This is all a fairy tale comrade. Until today Russia is a information technology museum and American companies lead the way. In soviet union you had whatever you stole from the us nothing more. Computers, semiconductors, microchips, Unix were all invented in the us. You of course can claim whatever you want. Lol
Fine, Russians have stolen computer network technology 15 years before it was created in US. Did we steal a time machine too?
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:39 PM
 
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Fine, Russians have stolen computer network technology 15 years before it was created in US. Did we steal a time machine too?
What computer, Boba? The only computers you had then were clones of American mainframe computers stolen by soviet and east German spies....
Later you were stealing IBM, DEC, Motorola and Intel designs. Boba. Make something simple first, like a decent car, then dream of computers LOL
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:50 PM
 
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What computer, Boba? The only computers you had then were clones of American mainframe computers stolen by soviet and east German spies....
Ah, starting this pathetic propaganda again...

In 1930's Lebedev conducted original research that was used to make computers. Then WW2 started, stopping his work, except that he created an analog computer to help design military equipment.

In 1950 he created the first digital computer in continental Europe - MESM. He didn't steal or even borrow anything - he simply couldn't.

No spies were stealing anything IT (not that there was something valuable to steal), because at that time the general consensus was that computer is just a huge and expensive calculator - a waste of time and resources. Lebedev & Co believed otherwise.

Official Google blog has written about him:

Official Google Blog: Remembering a remarkable Soviet computing pioneer

In late 1950's the first and only (well, there was a successor in 1970) ternary computer was made in SU. The next-gen computer architecture may very well be ternary. Today it is binary.

There was quite a bit of original research in SU, and lots of it in IT. And there is quite a bit of it even in RF today. Rusnano (VC fund) companies:

Portfolio Companies - RUSNANO

Skolkovo is huge too. Yandex and Mail.ru create quite a bit of IT stuff. Lots of small companies.

Damn, even my start-up is working on a cool original IT invention.

We were put behind in 1980's and 1990's, but the high-tech sector is growing nicely.
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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This alone may boost small business exports (which interests you the most) by 3-4 times. Plus the government has recently began subsidizing such businesses.
Subsidies won't fly with the WTO, not on businesses involved in export. WTO membership is a double-edged sword. Beware.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:34 AM
 
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What computer, Boba? The only computers you had then were clones of American mainframe computers stolen by soviet and east German spies....
Later you were stealing IBM, DEC, Motorola and Intel designs. Boba. Make something simple first, like a decent car, then dream of computers LOL
You flew into space with Germans! And then after(It was only after) Penkovsky sold formula liquid fuel rocket. Your fantasies have no real facts. My well documented around the world. How the energy system - Buran flew in space without having best computers than America? You know what Americans thought it impossible to manage all devices remotely from the ground? Russian scientists have proved and demonstrated by the example Lenahoda(Moon - a move). And remotely controlled NASA management possible by Russian scientists. NASA hang a lot of portraits of Russian scientists such as A L Kemurdzhian. I specifically created for you on this topic. refute a single fact presented that topic? You are ridiculous..
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Turku, Finland
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Ah, starting this pathetic propaganda again...

In 1930's Lebedev conducted original research that was used to make computers. Then WW2 started, stopping his work, except that he created an analog computer to help design military equipment.

In 1950 he created the first digital computer in continental Europe - MESM. He didn't steal or even borrow anything - he simply couldn't.

No spies were stealing anything IT (not that there was something valuable to steal), because at that time the general consensus was that computer is just a huge and expensive calculator - a waste of time and resources. Lebedev & Co believed otherwise.

Official Google blog has written about him:

Official Google Blog: Remembering a remarkable Soviet computing pioneer

In late 1950's the first and only (well, there was a successor in 1970) ternary computer was made in SU. The next-gen computer architecture may very well be ternary. Today it is binary.

There was quite a bit of original research in SU, and lots of it in IT. And there is quite a bit of it even in RF today. Rusnano (VC fund) companies:

Portfolio Companies - RUSNANO

Skolkovo is huge too. Yandex and Mail.ru create quite a bit of IT stuff. Lots of small companies.

Damn, even my start-up is working on a cool original IT invention.

We were put behind in 1980's and 1990's, but the high-tech sector is growing nicely.
Word to your mother, Zapadniye byatches. This is why Soviet network protocols to run the internet, Soviet microprocessor architecture runs every computer and mobile device, and Sovok programmers still find secure employment patching up old Cobol codebases.

Let's also not forget to mention all the successful Russian startups which aren't derivatives of Western businesses that didn't bother with the Russian market, such as Google (Yandex), Facebook (vkontakte), Amazon (Ozon).

Note to Mail.ru: your business model isn't sustainable, but I'm sure ROFL's unofficial employer will soon rule the world.
Love, Yahoo.
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