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Old 11-13-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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An interview with Anne Applebaum, who also wrote an intriguing book "Gulag", who talks about the Sovietisation of eastern Europe:
The Sovietisation of eastern Europe: Crafting the Iron Curtain | The Economist
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:27 AM
 
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And? Wanna promote a book, written by:

an editor at The Economist, and a member of the editorial board of The Washington Post

There are not too many people in the world, who are less authoritative speaking about SU.

P.S. This thread doesn't belong to Europe.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:35 AM
 
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And? Wanna promote a book, written by:

an editor at The Economist, and a member of the editorial board of The Washington Post

There are not too many people in the world, who are less authoritative speaking about SU.

P.S. This thread doesn't belong to Europe.
I found it interesting. If you don't like it, you are free to ignore it.

Applebaum is a very smart cookie, who is fluent in Russian and Polish, among other languages. Or are you of the belief that only a former Soviet person can write about the SU? What have you heard from her interview or read in one of her books that you find lacking? If I remember correctly, you also discount Solzhenitsyn; I suppose he wasn't an authority as compared to you?

Why doesn't this thread belong in Europe? She's talking about eastern Europe.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:36 AM
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And? Wanna promote a book, written by:

an editor at The Economist, and a member of the editorial board of The Washington Post

There are not too many people in the world, who are less authoritative speaking about SU.

P.S. This thread doesn't belong to Europe.

While discrediting the author instead of actually, u know, addressing the issue, you forgot to mention she's also the wife of Radek Sikorski, the Polish minister of foreign affairs. She's also (gasp! shock!) Jewish. How can anyone listen to what she has to say and/or think she can be objective ???
/sarcasm
Seriously though, it would me amazing if you managed to disprove the thesis of an article/news item/book without attacking its author. Can you do that ?
Also this thread does belong in the Europe forum.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:58 AM
 
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I found it interesting. If you don't like it, you are free to ignore it.
This is a forum, not stumbleupon.com - say, what you want to discuss, don't just post links.

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Applebaum is a very smart cookie, who is fluent in Russian and Polish, among other languages.
She works for the most prominent anti-Soviet media. It's the very same thing as posting Pravda articles, etc. Too much propaganda.

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If I remember correctly, you also discount Solzhenitsyn
"All prisoners of GULAG are innocent, because they said it to Solzhenicin". This guy is a fake, not a scientist.

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Why doesn't this thread belong in Europe? She's talking about eastern Europe.
About history.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:02 AM
 
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While discrediting the author instead of actually, u know, addressing the issue, you forgot to mention she's also the wife of Radek Sikorski, the Polish minister of foreign affairs. She's also (gasp! shock!) Jewish. How can anyone listen to what she has to say and/or think she can be objective ???
/sarcasm
Report to a mod: your sarcasm is a personal attack, even hinting that I'm racist.

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Seriously though, it would me amazing if you managed to disprove the thesis of an article/news item/book without attacking its author. Can you do that ?
Totally biased source - waste of time. There are tons of research about this matter - no need to read something that is almost guaranteed to be propaganda.

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Also this thread does belong in the Europe forum.
As you wish, but don't complain, if it becomes History of Europe.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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This is a forum, not stumbleupon.com - say, what you want to discuss, don't just post links.


She works for the most prominent anti-Soviet media. It's the very same thing as posting Pravda articles, etc. Too much propaganda.


"All prisoners of GULAG are innocent, because they said it to Solzhenicin". This guy is a fake, not a scientist.


About history.
Oh, you would prefer I post pages and pages of pictures?!

You are insinuating the Economist is anti-Soviet propaganda? Ok, how about this: You tell me which media outlets are ok to post from.

You know, call me crazy, but I'm going to go ahead and side with Solzhenitsyn on this one; until, that is, you pen your Gulag Archipelago.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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Very interesting interview. What she told was exactly the same what my parents told me about their and their friends' lives in Soviet Union. She has done a good job.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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Oh, you would prefer I post pages and pages of pictures?!
I would prefer you stop propagading bad things about Russia.

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You are insinuating the Economist is anti-Soviet propaganda?
Yes.

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Ok, how about this: You tell me which media outlets are ok to post from.
Post about something, in which you are competent - such as English literature.

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You know, call me crazy, but I'm going to go ahead and side with Solzhenitsyn on this one
I'm calling you crazy...
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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[quote=russiaonline;26931312]I would prefer you stop propagading bad things about Russia.


Yes.


Post about something, in which you are competent - such as English literature.


I'm calling you crazy...[/quote]

The Soviet Union is not Russia. The Soviet Union no longer exists (which is why you wanted this in the history forum...remember?). How is posting this interview propagating bad things about Russia? Again: What is it about this interview that you find lacking or incorrect? You haven't given an answer.

There are many on here who have read and researched plenty of history, myself included. Quit flattering yourself.

Fine, call me crazy. But I would hazard that most people would take the word of a person who lived through a situation over an overzealous apologist who wants to re-write history decades later.
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